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Bunbury's guide to community disruptors part 5

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ItsLateHumpty · 20/06/2020 15:04

The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

Remember our monitors would like to silence us by fair means or foul.

This is a continuation of the Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3691023-Bunburys-guide-to-community-disruptors-part-4

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging. AS is your friend.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted.. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we always have community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the ‘Break it Down for me’ and ‘It never happens’ threads but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, I suggest the following strategy (given that you're talking to the lurkers).

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”

Go well Witches Gin

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RufustheRowlingReindeer · 24/07/2020 10:07

It was on a thread which had had nothing posted on it for weeks, but was then revived a few days ago, so someone might have just seen it because of the more recent posts, rather than trawling through old threads

I don’t think this matters to be honest, as i said a deletion 6 WEEKS later is fair enough but not a strike 💐

Rules change on fwr on an hourly basis (thats what it feels like) so 6 weeks ago whatever you said might have been ok...unless of course you had a tone

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 24/07/2020 10:04

they can get their wires crossed sometimes

Thats not getting their wires crossed....

It would be good if the strike was 6 weeks cos that would mean it was up now

But what the actual hell would be the point if that!

You could easily get to the three strikes and banned without a heads up and without knowing what you’d done wrong...so horrendously unfair

OldCrone · 24/07/2020 10:02

Rufus
They didn't mention why there had been a delay. It was on a thread which had had nothing posted on it for weeks, but was then revived a few days ago, so someone might have just seen it because of the more recent posts, rather than trawling through old threads.

I did ask MN if I could get further strikes for other old posts if they get reported, and they said they would only issue further strikes for posts which I've made since they sent me the first strike warning yesterday.

bishopgiggles · 24/07/2020 10:00

So does the timer on the "strike" start from now or from when it was posted?

I had a slightly worrying exchange with mnhq when I asked about a post deletion and they said something asking the lines of "because we've had to speak to you before about this topic" when I'd never had a single email about any deleted post before.
I asked them to check and they did eventually say they'd been mistaken but it's worth knowing that they can get their wires crossed sometimes...

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 24/07/2020 09:53

Did not dod 😀

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 24/07/2020 09:53

oldcrone

Dod MNHQ explain why the delay?

Did they say ‘someone has been trawling through weeks worth of posts trying to find something reportable and now they’ve managed it’

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 24/07/2020 09:47

I had my first ever strike yesterday for a post I made over 6 weeks ago

Now THAT is fucking disgusting

Deletion maybe

Strike ...when its bloody obvious that someone has spent those 6 weeks trawling for posts to report....is just dreadful

Fucking ludicrous

Oh god and those that report weeks later...well luckily Words fail me

(They dont...)

OldCrone · 24/07/2020 09:44

Do you get an official strike these days, or do they still unceremoniously kick you out when they get pissed off by receiving too many reports about you?

I had my first ever strike yesterday for a post I made over 6 weeks ago.

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 24/07/2020 09:42

I like teenplus posts on that thread kit

But even if the thread isnt meant as a fishing expedition, it will certainly become one

Kit19 · 24/07/2020 09:24

i sense a fishing expedition on AIBU.....

FloralBunting · 23/07/2020 20:01

I am so ladylike. I have bunting. And it's floral.

ThePurported · 23/07/2020 19:08

@FloralBunting

Just thought you might like to laugh your socks off like I am right now because someone reported a post in which I said it wasn't cute to have hentai and pornhub fixations, and HQ deleted it for breaking guidelines on negative generalization.

So be aware, wims, no negative generalizations about porn-addled kinksters, mkay? Many of them may also help grannies cross the street and feed stray animals.😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

Shame, I saw it and thought how refreshing that nobody had reported your post as unladylike 'not in the spirit'

Looks like we need yet another caveat acronym to avoid unnecessary deletions.
NAPAKALT?

FloralBunting · 23/07/2020 15:22

🤣

ItsLateHumpty · 23/07/2020 14:46

@FloralBunting

don't forget civil. Civil is mandatory.
I’d never forget you, you uncivil sockless wench! Getting deleted because you more than ‘tutted’! Shame on you Biscuit

Brew Gin respect!

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JackiesArmy · 23/07/2020 14:44

Floral, it looks like you may be the latest poster being reported in the hopes of a banning? There is an obvious consistency to this that MNHQ appear to not care about be unaware of.

Do you get an official strike these days, or do they still unceremoniously kick you out when they get pissed off by receiving too many reports about you?

TinselAngel · 23/07/2020 14:39

Oh god there's porn with tentacles? I hate tentacles. Shock

DianasLasso · 23/07/2020 14:33

@FloralBunting

Watching porn for the storylines and maybe some tips on washing machine maintenance?
"The defendant stumbled upon the tentacle porn while he was looking for calamari recipes, m'lud."
FloralBunting · 23/07/2020 14:31

don't forget civil. Civil is mandatory.

ItsLateHumpty · 23/07/2020 14:28

FWR is a no go zone for...

irreverence
sarcasm
humour
depreciation (of anything except women/woman/female)
recipes
repeating accepted mantras
peaking
acronyms beginning with A
piss taking (see humour I guess?)
biscuit emoji
yawns
bless

We must be more...

depreciative (of self)
serious
subservient
supporting
supplicant
polite
measured
self censoring
space saving
speak less, learn more
meek
mild
accomodating
accomplished (in areas proscribed)

Make tea, wipe bums, and shush.

I’m too sober for this shit the scolds bridal.

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FloralBunting · 23/07/2020 13:37

Watching porn for the storylines and maybe some tips on washing machine maintenance?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/07/2020 13:17

Grin it seems so

DianasLasso · 23/07/2020 13:10

Is "watching hentai for the quality of the animation" (some, not all viewers of hentai) this generation's "reading Playboy for the articles"?

Datun · 23/07/2020 12:43

@FloralBunting

Just thought you might like to laugh your socks off like I am right now because someone reported a post in which I said it wasn't cute to have hentai and pornhub fixations, and HQ deleted it for breaking guidelines on negative generalization.

So be aware, wims, no negative generalizations about porn-addled kinksters, mkay? Many of them may also help grannies cross the street and feed stray animals.😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

Realising exactly which poss are targeted, and on what subject, is almost reassuring. Anyone who has any doubt about what they are doing or why, just has their motivation sharpened.
RufustheRowlingReindeer · 23/07/2020 12:21

I'd also like to know whether the use of sarcasm is policed across the whole of MN (in AIBU, let's say) or whether it's just women talking about genderism in a sarcastic way that's the problem

I think the main issue is the reporting

The people who lurk on FWR Just to report literally don’t give a shiny shit about someone being sarky on aibu

MNHQ brought in different rules for FWR and this is the result

DickKerrLadies · 23/07/2020 12:02

@FloralBunting

Just thought you might like to laugh your socks off like I am right now because someone reported a post in which I said it wasn't cute to have hentai and pornhub fixations, and HQ deleted it for breaking guidelines on negative generalization.

So be aware, wims, no negative generalizations about porn-addled kinksters, mkay? Many of them may also help grannies cross the street and feed stray animals.😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

I think I'd enjoy reading an explanation of that decision.

But as long as the women questioning that are kept off kilter and unsure what they are permitted to notice or say, this remains a welcoming space for everyone.

It'd be nice to have a list of all the things we're not allowed to talk about. Obviously MNHQ would have to produce it, because we'd get deleted for talking about it.

I'd also like to know whether the use of sarcasm is policed across the whole of MN (in AIBU, let's say) or whether it's just women talking about genderism in a sarcastic way that's the problem.