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Bunbury's guide to community disruptors part 5

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ItsLateHumpty · 20/06/2020 15:04

The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

Remember our monitors would like to silence us by fair means or foul.

This is a continuation of the Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3691023-Bunburys-guide-to-community-disruptors-part-4

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging. AS is your friend.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted.. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we always have community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the ‘Break it Down for me’ and ‘It never happens’ threads but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, I suggest the following strategy (given that you're talking to the lurkers).

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”

Go well Witches Gin

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FloresTorres · 18/08/2020 22:56

Please keep posting here also oh thinking women. We need your sunlight to fall on important issues, so the rest of us are aware, and can tell others.
Flowers for all absent sisters.

Clymene · 18/08/2020 22:47

I will join Ovarit. But I think this is an important space because it's mainstream.

I have been wondering where Michelle was. I would be really sad if she were banned. I think other women will come to fill the space she vacated though. We are legion and more and more women are saying that they've had enough. We are half the population. We have power and we will prevail.

OnOvarit · 18/08/2020 22:43

I have 5 invite codes to Ovarit!

DM me if you want one.

(Anyone who has been on Ovarit for a while and has reached level 5 as a poster, you also have invite codes.)

ArabellaScott · 18/08/2020 22:39

Yes, god, please all the clever women don't go. I'll be stuck here trying to foist confusing invertebrate videos on puzzled newbies.

DeaconBoo · 18/08/2020 21:53

@highame

Just remember, if really good, knowledgeable posters leave, that's job done. Journalists come onto this board they get a lot of information and that's good for us - stick with it. Otherwise we're all doomed
Agreed. Don't leave, everyone! I do have other places I pop into from time to time though.
OvaHere · 18/08/2020 16:40

@Kantastic

Ovarit.com is excellent, it's nice to be able to speak the truth, and the admin team on there are radfems. Just saying!

It's a good point about journalists looking for info here, but it's getting to the point where we can't even put information journalists might be interested in, here. Maybe the journalists should check out Ovarit too.

Ovarit is great. I joined fairly recently, I'm seriously impressed at what they've achieved in a short space of time.

It's invite only at the moment whilst they are still in beta testing (if you have an established Spinster or Twitter account you can PM them for a code).

I would advise everyone to join Ovarit and/or Spinster when they can. Not just to support a female focused venture but as a solid back up to meet other women including some excellent women long since banned from here.

highame · 18/08/2020 16:01

Kantastic 😁 well they ought to be on the ball, fingers crossed

Kantastic · 18/08/2020 15:48

Ovarit.com is excellent, it's nice to be able to speak the truth, and the admin team on there are radfems. Just saying!

It's a good point about journalists looking for info here, but it's getting to the point where we can't even put information journalists might be interested in, here. Maybe the journalists should check out Ovarit too.

highame · 18/08/2020 15:38

Just remember, if really good, knowledgeable posters leave, that's job done. Journalists come onto this board they get a lot of information and that's good for us - stick with it. Otherwise we're all doomed

ItsLateHumpty · 18/08/2020 15:32

@BovaryX

Hi, I haven't seen several posters for a while. I hope TheRealMcKenna and ProdigalKitten and Michelle are around?
I’m not sure about the first two, but I posted about @Michelleoftheresistance earlier on in this thread (12th Aug) as I’d noticed she went missing (30th July) after complaining talking about FWR guidelines.

Angryresister ha! Can’t believe I forgot “kind” 🤦‍♀️

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Deliriumoftheendless · 18/08/2020 15:25

Sorry- it’s the MAP one got confused what threads I’m reading there.

Deliriumoftheendless · 18/08/2020 15:24

I have a deletion on the LOL thread and I can’t for the life of me see why, I don’t say much of interest.

highame · 18/08/2020 15:01

The worst case is, they are getting even better organised.

NonHypotheticalLurkingParent · 18/08/2020 14:18

Maybe the moderators have all recently had curated interactions?

BlackWave · 18/08/2020 14:05

They may be worried, but if that just translates into even more heavy-handed moderation of women, communication just gets harder and harder.

I already am careful about the rules I know about. But the range of rules I don't know about until after the email is getting wider and wider by the day.

Anyhow, I'm on two strikes this week, so I'd better shut up for the next five.

DialSquare · 18/08/2020 13:59

@BlackWave

It's never a good sign when women are censored.
True. But if what we are saying wasn't a worry for certain groups, they wouldn't be trying to censor us. We just need to be extra careful about getting the message out in a way we can't be censored. Even though that is becoming more and more difficult by the day.
DialSquare · 18/08/2020 13:54

@highame

Thanks itsallgoingtobefine

I suppose they could argue that it wasn't about women, however it does link to JKR but dialsquare do you know what 'not in the spirit of the site' means?

I don't know what anything means any more highame! I refreshed the thread and that was the message that came up.
highame · 18/08/2020 13:51

Thanks itsallgoingtobefine

I suppose they could argue that it wasn't about women, however it does link to JKR but dialsquare do you know what 'not in the spirit of the site' means?

BlackWave · 18/08/2020 13:50

It's never a good sign when women are censored.

DialSquare · 18/08/2020 13:47

Should we be taking this step up of targeting as a good sign? Are certain groups getting worried?

AbsintheFriends · 18/08/2020 13:47

I commented on how much speaking up for women must have cost her personally and professionally. Which I think is entirely in the spirit of FWR. As is discussing how big corporations are controlling the discourse by making public statements like this.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 18/08/2020 13:44

It could be that it was incorrect. I wonder who posted it? can anyone remember

I was the OP of the Hachette thread. I posted a link to the press release, and some excerpts from the press release.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 18/08/2020 13:43

@nauticant

Gosh, I wonder what was wrong with the Hachette thread? I didn't get to see the later posts.

Either posters there were being mean or the monitors are out in force and the moderators are being very compliant to do their bidding.

I didn't see anything meriting thread deletion. If there had been a mean post, surely that post would be deleted.

I think we can add discussion of organisations pressured into re-education programmes to the list of things that must not be discussed.

DialSquare · 18/08/2020 13:42

Not in the spirit of the site apparently.

highame · 18/08/2020 13:42

I'm wondering that too. I had wondered what would happen if JKR said something about women, and would that cause a conflict for them.

It could be that it was incorrect. I wonder who posted it? can anyone remember?

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