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Bunbury's guide to community disruptors part 5

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ItsLateHumpty · 20/06/2020 15:04

The useful Bunbury Guide to Spotting Community Disruptors is constantly evolving.

The best research and advice is not to engage with community disruptors and trolls. As ever, if you suspect troll activity, report it to MNHQ.

Remember our monitors would like to silence us by fair means or foul.

This is a continuation of the Public Service Announcement thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3691023-Bunburys-guide-to-community-disruptors-part-4

If and when you see threads plopped into FWR, especially a curious repeat of well worn topics, maybe check for poster history before engaging. AS is your friend.

There are a number of posts/posters/threads that are reproduced on Twitter or Facebook to foment controversy using screen shots & flagging to either MNHQ to have threads or posters deleted.. Sometimes, it’s used to approach commissioning editors with ideas for articles. It’s a tiresome tactic that we always have community disruptor posters who themselves post the comments that they then highlight elsewhere as purported evidence of racism, religious intolerance, anti-men sentiments, or transphobia.

Some helpful links can be found in the ‘Break it Down for me’ and ‘It never happens’ threads but in essence FermatsTheorem recommended “that in the absence of a block/hide poster button, I suggest the following strategy (given that you're talking to the lurkers).

Do not name check the sealion. Instead, respond to a depersonalised paraphrase:

"It is sometimes erroneously suggested that blah. Blah is wrong for the following reasons (short and pithy). If you need more information re. debunking blah, here's a link."

Then (this next step is important to combat derailment) go back up thread to the last useful contribution to the discussion, make sure you do name check that contributor, and pick up the discussion from that point.”

Go well Witches Gin

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Mammatino · 20/08/2020 08:29

Crikey o’Reilly! That never happens does it? Except there and just then. I’ve had an eye opening few days what with the transbians and a some other crazy bits and bats I saw on Twitter. I’ve lived a sheltered life. That person got what they wanted though, the thread was derailed and deleted and the frightening reality of it back into the cave.

ItsLateHumpty · 20/08/2020 08:15

It’s almost Thursday evening here, so pretty much the weekend right? So I’ll take a Gin with thanks Grin

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FannyCann · 20/08/2020 08:12

Crikey Humphrey that update. Shock I haven't time or the stomach to google all the many words I didn't recognise.

I liked this bit though.

"I have asked on feminist subs if i should call myself a feminist and they just banned me, i take that as a no."

WinkGrin

Winesalot · 20/08/2020 08:11

Thanks Humpty. You really deserve a drink. Gin ?

ItsLateHumpty · 20/08/2020 07:55

I do wish the thread could have stayed as it pointed to the population that is doing exactly what we have been warning about. But obviously that was the entire point of the visit.

I may have updated the ‘never happens’ thread as I was well advised Wink

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Winesalot · 20/08/2020 07:51

I am a little disappointed. Did they really have own website because what people were posting from the site and the posts were the same tone. Either way, it was eye opening to see the completely detached from reality or any expression of compassion for anybody, rhetoric being rolled out. Only contempt.

I do wish the thread could have stayed as it pointed to the population that is doing exactly what we have been warning about. But obviously that was the entire point of the visit.

Still. I learned two new terms and I see there is a thread about one new term Tw cuties so I am off to read that. And thank you to those who archived the Reddit board. It is not one I wish to visit again soon though.

boatyardblues · 20/08/2020 07:32

Shame. I was enjoying the cheese chat.

DianasLasso · 20/08/2020 07:10

And pfft it's gone.

Surprise surprise turns out our little trolly visitor was a PBP.

Personally I'd have preferred to have seen him kicked out and the thread kept, as I think a lot of women don't truly believe there are men that batshit crazy out there.

EchoCardioGran · 20/08/2020 00:55

That's made me feel quite ill. Along with too much cheese.

wellbehavedwomen · 19/08/2020 22:01

For the avoidance of doubt: when I say, "certain demographic' I categorically do NOT mean trans people. (Thought I should specify that for when the relevant post falls down the page, in case that being the case then gets lost.)

ArabellaScott · 19/08/2020 21:57

There's scant mention of our rather outre new poster on the fruit farms. Apparently 'box of frogs' would be a fairly accurate description.

wellbehavedwomen · 19/08/2020 21:54

The forced teaming, while playing linguistic games to assert social dominance... it's classic male-patterned abusive behaviour. Attention is oxygen, in this context.

There's a slew of evidence contra to the claims - not least the gender clinicians who gave evidence on the very disturbing situation around prisons to Parliament, and then of course the various prison reform charities have written pieces on this, and the inimitable Rhona Hotchkiss has spoken very movingly on it, too. We know the stats. We've given them often enough before. But it's not about evidence, is it? It's about attention from women - negative or otherwise. I very much believe that that's the appeal. I'm happy to engage with people who think very differently to me: have done on here many times, and have plenty of respect for all manner of views, online and off. But I don't think this is about the stated views at all. Not really. And the framing of psych drugs as worse than rape is intentionally trying to raise a reaction. It has to be, given the posts over the past few days.

Some people will do anything for female attention, especially when they can patronise, belittle and demean those women, even verbally. It's catnip, to those from a certain self-defined demographic.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 19/08/2020 21:36

Epic fail

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 19/08/2020 21:34

Sorry, i was still engaging But I won’t now 😀

She says!

wellbehavedwomen · 19/08/2020 21:30

Reminders of precisely why single sex spaces are so blessedly important do serve a purpose, I suppose. If looking for silver linings.

DianasLasso · 19/08/2020 16:25

Ta!

ArabellaScott · 19/08/2020 16:20

Ive archived.

Deliriumoftheendless · 19/08/2020 16:15

Details? Derails.

Deliriumoftheendless · 19/08/2020 16:15

Agree although I have contributed but planned my response before the detail and it doesn’t reply to any details.

DianasLasso · 19/08/2020 15:50

Archive the relevant reddit sub to the "this never happens" thread, then let the thread die the death?

ThePurported · 19/08/2020 15:44

We need a sign for Incoming! forced feminization enthusiast
Any ideas?

OnOvarit · 19/08/2020 11:47

I seem to have "levelled up" again on Ovarit so have a bunch more codes. Again, message me if you want one!

By the way, someone on there has suggested organising a group for former Mumsnetters. Like others I would hate to see this forum abandoned completely. But the censorship is intensifying.

CivilCervix · 19/08/2020 01:14

How can it be that there are so many spaces on which the worst sorts of misogyny can be shared and violent porn can be posted, but yet a site for women on which women share lived experience of sexual trauma and mental health and how that affects their perception of the world, of institutions and of policy is subject to routine reprimands and censorship? Could it be patriarchy?

OvaHere · 18/08/2020 23:52

@ArabellaScott

Yes, god, please all the clever women don't go. I'll be stuck here trying to foist confusing invertebrate videos on puzzled newbies.
Yes. to be clear I wasn't asking anyone to leave here. It's just nice to have other places to go to connect with former MNetters and to support female led spaces.
GazookGaboot · 18/08/2020 23:18

What's happening??? First one thread-- gone. OK. Too hypothetical, possibly. But now what's happened to ahem women face children's lit appreciation without parental consent etc please? Just trying to catch up, and it's gone as well. Too true? Too much sunlight?

So much scorch. Such truth.