How eyeliner defines my womanhood

What the actual fuck does it mean to be both 'non-binary' and a 'trans woman'?

None of that happened! It’s all fake! This generation are the first to do this! Those memories of men in male up from the 80s are fake! Implanted by Right Wing Christians from the US like some kind of Cis Manchurian Candidate! Why are you repeating these lies?????!!!!!

😂😂😂

I’ve never mastered eyeliner - am I a woman?

Male up? Make up obviously (or is it part of the brainwashing????)

None of that happened! It’s all fake! This generation are the first to do this! Those memories of men in male up from the 80s are fake! Implanted by Right Wing Christians from the US like some kind of Cis Manchurian Candidate! Why are you repeating these lies?????!!!!!

Yup Red as ever makes an excellent point, but it's not just womanhood that's marketable

As so many of these identities are not based in material reality how is one to express these identities - by spending money on a gold lame pocket book/eyeliner/hormones/body mods etc etc etc ka-ching ka-ching ka-ching

I've dated/lived with goth boyfriends therefore I've unknowingly been shagging women when I thought I was shagging a bloke....
If he wants to grasp his feminine side then grab away but make up doesn't define a woman.

Oh, the pretentiousness.
Imagine being this guy's "cisgender" partner who grew and birthed their child and will no doubt take the financial hit, but he's wanking on about being an oppressed non-binary trans woman.

How does that work, when someone as masculine-man as Mike Ness has been wearing eyeliner for decades?

So bored of all this regressive bullshit.

I feel sorry for them, that the logic is "I must be a woman!" Rather than "why can't I be the person I want to be and express myself how I like?" Poor person.

As time goes on I realise that so much of this is people just talking past each other - by that I mean that the way certain groups see the world and frame their understanding of it is so so different that there seems no way to begin to understand each other.

I read any of the genderist/PoMo/IdPol/Queer stuff and I just don't recognise the world they live in.

Even taking into account that I'm middle aged and since forever the middle aged have rolled their eyes at the ways of the youngsters and vice versa, I just find this word view incomprehensible.

He can wear what he likes, but it has nothing to do with women or womanhood. His issue is with masculinity, and that's where pressure could usefully be applied if he really wanted to challenge society and make some constructive changes.

Wow. Obviously thousands of young men were therefore "women" in the 80's.

Oh my god, it's a bloke wearing eyeliner - we've literally never seen this before! Talk about smashing boundaries! How stunning, how brave! And a male, in a relationship with a female, how very queer.

Also, what the hell is a non-binary transwoman?

DH was wearing eyeliner when I met him. Does this make me a lesbian? Confusing times indeed.

What on earth does this person mean by “making no effort to pass as cis”?

No idea. He passes very well as a 'cis' man.

Does the eyeliner make him queer or does the eyeliner make his heterosexual relationship queer? I'm confused on that.

The fact that he is a fucking DJ though and will have a wife at home looking after the kid all night and probably working to feed them all day seems pretty usual though.

You know I don't want to be the sort of person who spends their life permanently offended. So on this occasion, I choose to laugh my arse off. It's the only acceptable response to this article. I mean, BUstle has always been shit but this gaslighting pile of wank deserves nothing but a proper fucking guffaw.

Can someone please PLEASE share this with John Cleese, I would but I don't do Twitter though I'm so sad right now that I don't. :(

Look at me, look at me, LOOK AT ME!!!

Why are you staring at me??

What on earth does this person mean by “making no effort to pass as cis”? Think the stubble on the manly chin is a bit of a giveaway there, mate. Or do they mean “pass as a cis woman”?

Dunno why I’m bothering, really, this is a patent nonsense and all the make up wearing boyfriends of my youth would laugh at this silly attention seeking, on their way to pee safely in the men’s bogs.

Meant as a reply to RedToothbrush.
OldCrone Hmm wouldn't marketing eyeliner to men as well create a larger consumer base than to make it a symbol of womanhood?

I read as far as "some people accuse me of cherry picking the fun bits of being a woman whilst still enjoying male privaledge" and that was enough. You got it in one mate, no more words needed.

Ah. Very true.

www.bustle.com/articles/79953-how-fall-out-boy-singer-pete-wentz-put-guyliner-into-the-mainstream-lexicon