John Cleese defends JKR

@RedToothBrush I think I love you.

Is it 'Liberal Democrats'?

Och Yorkshire just tell them to fuck off

Who needs to engag3 with idiots

Do one is two words. I often use these two words to idiots and give the idiots no thoughts cos they don’t need any thoughts

There is a name for men who know about the sexual abuse of women and want to increase it.

Scratches head.

Hmmm.

Is it 'Liberal Democrats'?

@kipper that is outrageous.

Fucking hate that men get to define womanhood.

I'm not joking, it did mess with my head. I knew every reason I could give for being female (like actual crippling period pains) they would be able to say didn't qualify. I began to question my own self.

I was also told that I didn't care about intersex people or trans men which is 'very telling'.

I don't care about trans men because I'm not a man and would prefer a man commented on what they think. However I don't see men giving up their spaces for women who aspire to be them. They won't budge an inch. Women aren't often entitled enough to try and be a man.

The concept of intersex can only exist, logically, if you accept there are attributes that are male and female. Which apparently I'm not allowed to own.

Take my female status on trust Wow, just wow.

That reminds me of coming to the UK border with my youngest and being questioned if I could prove that I was her mum. I was very tired and hormonal and offered to breastfeed her there and then (she was unsettled and hungry). The (male) border guard couldn’t wave us through quickly enough...

"They said they would take my female status on 'trust' and they expected me to do the same for them."

Like

"If you ever asked me for a loan of money, I'd trust you to repay me, and I expect the same?" Only your money is pounds sterling and theirs is monopoly money

I'm scared to say much on Faffbook but one my strongly feminist friends posted recently about how transphobic JKR is. There was a bit of a debate with another of her friends raising all the points we raise here, but the feminist friend just said she believes that TWAW. But not Yaniv or 'that horrible cyclist'. I shake my head in disbelief. I silently cheered on the obviously GC friend

I'm relieved to such a high profile man speaking out like this.
@Yorkshirelass04 the one time I've spoken up about gender identity and stereotypes on facebook, it was in response to something on let toys be toys. I got asked whether my daughters had had genetic testing to prove they are female. I left the group after that.

Yorkshirelass04

Perhaps he/she/them/they wanted you to prove it by pulling up skirt....etc... makes you wonder about the motives .... when they/he/she/whatever said you can't prove it..! How odd.

" would also like to add that in the past week I have had a very heated debate on a friends Facebook post about the impact of the trans agenda on women. And essentially putting men's needs first.

"It got to the point when the said trans person WAS ASKING me to PROVE my female status, because it according to them, it can't be defined. They said they would take my female status on 'trust' and they expected me to do the same for them."

@MrsJamin

My daughter got told to watch the film by her RE teacher (along with Bladerunner, the Truman Show and the Matrix) in preparation for her RE A-Level course.

It was very strange watching it and telling her what a big fuss there was about it at the time but that if made today a scene that was entirely non-controversial at the time would be considered outrageous now!

She tells me non binary is "very silly but of course I don't say that." You wonder how many share the same view.

I would also like to add that in the past week I have had a very heated debate on a friends Facebook post about the impact of the trans agenda on women. And essentially putting men's needs first.

It got to the point when the said trans person was asking me to prove my female status, because it according to them, it can't be defined. They said they would take my female status on 'trust' and they expected me to do the same for them.

I found this absurd and gaslighting. It's weighed on my mind since.

Since when is my biological identity up for debate?

Is it true that Britain is at the forefront of, let's say - trans critical feminism?

Wikipedia seems to think so. As in - most countries including America have accepted trans doctrine but the Brits won't. Is this true? Or are we naturally more cynical? Mumsnet is specifically referred to on Wikipedia as a source of anti trans sentiment.

metro.co.uk/2020/06/19/john-cleese-baffled-criticism-jk-rowlings-comments-transgender-people-12874946/ It's made the metro

Also OT but @GeraltOfRivia same here - used to send photos of larch trees to my Dad. Miss being able to do that.

And yes, "what it means to be a woman" is clearly illustrated by the difference in response to JKR and JC (violent threats vs lack thereof etc).

Oh god, that sketch was so on point!

I don’t think the Danish GH thing is satire, he states ‘I am a woman’ absolutely straight. I think he is a GC ally and illustrating the insanity of the situation...if, on the other hand, he is serious then he’s not doing TRA any favours!

There's a reference on the twitter thread to a danish guy who changed his gender but made no other obvious changes and went on tv to discuss using women's changing rooms. Any one seen this before - is it satire? I can't believe it's anything else?

Can I just say, as a woman I’d be happy to compete against any transwoman at any sport - as long as that sport was equestrian or darts.

I hear you GeraltOfRivia

Its lovely to see people speaking out to support womens rights. Hate that any woman who speaks out is called a TERF and must hate trans people. So many feminists speak to break down the restrictive gender norms so both men and women can express their gender as they wish. But biological sex does exist and women brought up as women have a lived experience of oppression that has shaped them.

OT but I love the Life of Brian. Would have been my dad's birthday this week. Might watch it and think of him. Monty Python was our "thing"

What really stinks is, if trans activist actually respected what it means to be a woman, tried to understand why we have concerns, and supported us in protecting our safety, then they'd have a squillion allies in us ready to to help them be treated fairly too.

Which just goes to show that this is all about men, their power, and their fury at women having a space they can't have. It isn't actually about trans people anymore. And this trans people who do support women in their fight are just as at threat as we are. I'm tipsy and upset after a hard day and I'm so upset about the world.

I think that having women’s facilities for women only so they are not actually sexually assaulted is a low bar. Women have rights to privacy and dignity too.