TRA push back against the shelving of self-ID as law in the UK

OvaHere
Because the last referendum was so good at bringing together different factions and opinions.
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Should be fun!

I've emailed number 10, I am still not confident its a done deal and the TRA's will try any and everything

That's not the SNP's definition of a 'consultation', sadly. Sturgeon has said the purpose of their recent GRA consultation was to re-educate people.

Just to say I got a security notice from Firefox on that 'email the PM' link, it wouldn't connect me to the website.

I generally use 'They Work for You' to email MPs, etc.

A consultation is not the same as say, a referendum. Even if a majority of responses are in favour (to any given proposal, not just this one) but the minority raise issues that show potential problems, it's nonsense to say it's undemocratic to proceed. The whole point of a consultation is to canvass opinion and flush out unseen pitfalls.

Thanks OhHolyJesus - that's really helpful.

@SisterWendyBuckett* @GrossePois*

This is the text from the Sunday Times. Whilst the article was about a leaked plans I took this to mean that that the consultation responses were skewed and so it will not be viewed as a realistic 'taking the temperature' exercise on public view. MPs who respond with that that statistic need further questioning of its basis and whether they thought the consultation was well-advertised, fairly written and if prior to the release of the consultation had those writing the consultation met with women's groups? (You can complain about public consultations I believe through Better Refulation.)

"More than 100,000 responses were received to the consultation. Insiders say about 70% of those backed the idea that anyone should be able to declare that they are a woman or a man. However, officials believe the results were skewed by an avalanche of responses generated by trans rights groups."

No one can deny now the influence "trans rights groups" (notice they didn't write LGBT) have in government.

I suspect the government equalities office groups will be particularly aware and I look forward to the meeting minutes from the meetings that follow this announcement in July.

There are two similar threads to this one:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3940451-WRITE-TO-YOUR-MP

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3940043-This-is-what-TRA-are-circulating-to-act-to-the-gender-rights-new-this-week

Sorry if my language isn’t quite right, it’s been a long time since I’ve had to express myself with the written word. Toddlers murder your brain.

@OhHolyJesus @SisterWendyBuckett I’d like to incorporate this in my emails also, would be interested to know the background information. I’ve heard the 70% was an inaccurate ‘stronghold’ scenario.

A quick question OhHolyJesus...

The government have noted that 70% of the consultation responses were generated responses/from templates.

The ghastly cut and paste pro self-id response my MP's office has just sent me, said: The consultation itself (on the GRA) received a huge number of responses from the public, with 70% of respondents in favour of reform and self-determination.

This isn't a figure I have seen before - do you think it's anything to do with that 70% generated response. I'd like to be able to counter any inaccuracies.

Thanks Teds

Should we send to Equalities Minister instead?

I've done both, GiantKitten.

By making it plain that I'm writing to Boris Johnson in his capacity as PM and asking him, as PM, to back Liz Truss, this is a legitimate use of the webform. Even if I don't get a response, my objective is to help neutralise the TRA bombardment by countering their narrative with facts.

The Equalities Minister is Kemi Badenoch and comments she has made in the past suggest to me that she knows only too well what it is to be a woman and a mother and how that impacts on her.

I mostly lurk on here rather than participate actively.
However I have used the link above to write to the PM and I have written to my MP. :)

@twoHopes Thank you! I will take a look.

@GeneticTest Great inside information. All points taken on board.

This, sorry, pic fell off

Should we send to Equalities Minister instead?

@GrossePois I work for an MP.

Don’t be too long, & please use paragraphs!

Say if you support the right to self ID or not, and you could give reasons why (daughters/ your religion / your right to change in female bodied only spaces etc)
Give your address or they might not write back.
It may take a little while for a response- they get a lot of emails.

If you send my MP an identikit email that’s clearly a cut & paste with nothing personal, you do not get a response. TRAs will not get anywhere doing that. In many cases, the MP won’t even see the emails- a staffer will deal with them.

Individual emails with real life examples are far more powerful.

@GrossePois good for you. I don't know if you've seen the Woman's Place UK website already but there's quite a bit there in the resources section:

womansplaceuk.org/

I’m new to this board but just wanted to say I’m halfway through writing to my MP. It’s the first time I’ve ever done so as my interest in politics has wavered over the years. But I feel really really strongly about this. I’m early 30’s with a baby daughter and unfortunately most of my friends are not willing to identify as feminists, this issue either isn’t on their radar or is something they support, which quite frankly TERRIFIES me. Any links to threads that I should take a look at with pointers of who else I can contact and how best to get my points across would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you, DuLang.

I sent this. I had to edit it a couple of times but eventually, got it to just below 1000 characters.

"Please, Prime Minister, back Liz Truss’s proposals to strengthen girls’ and women’s rights to single sex spaces like toilets, changing rooms, prisons, hospital wards, refuges, when they are undressed and vulnerable. Please listen to girls who skip school or refuse water just to avoid gender neutral toilets at school; to women now boycotting M&S and other shops because they no longer feel safe in changing rooms. Please safeguard children by halting experimental medical pathways to block puberty to satisfy the nebulous concept of gender identity. Please listen to the GIDS clinicians who resigned because of their concerns. Please stop more Karen Whites and Katie Dolatowskis from exploiting Stonewall’s version of the Equality Act to prey on women and girls. Please remember why even the Equality Act recognises that there are times when the protected characteristic of sex conflicts with that of gender reassignment and allows single sex exemptions. There are good reasons for those exemptions."

Gendered Intelligence had their say in Maria Miller's consultation, and a very priveleged position in that process too.

The consultation has invited the impacted population to respond, and by choosing to spam both the consultation and the considered outcome they are abusing the position they already have. Spamming a democratic process is simply a demonstration of their uncontrollable demanding behaviour and nothing else.