Be an ally to lesbians: stop using LGBTQ+

I’m bewildered. Please explain how gathering with women is misogynistic?

No, you aren't.
Calling a mixed sex group a women only group is covered under the 8th rule of misogyny: Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.

Yes. LGBTQ erases me as a lesbian. Stonewall erases me as a lesbian

So sorry to hear that resister.

Many of us women have coasted on the wake of other womens hard and outspoken battles.* No more.

Let them burn it down.

Women (of all hues, ways and sororities) will build it all up again; and learn the lesson to not use the double plus good words of News speak that allows men to infiltrate our places and spaces.

Lesbian feminist woman for me. No such thing as the alphabet community. Been in too women and lesbian groups over 40 years destroyed by the men pushing their way in.

I'm with you- LGB makes complete sense.

It's not a woman's only group if it contains males and women.

Sounds like you have some nice mixed sex groups. Lovely. Got nothing to do with women's groups.

I’m part of a few women only groups. Well, a book/film club and a netball team. We have trans women in both groups.
We are all feminists and nobody is transphobic.
That would make you and your group misogynist, not Feminist.

The T only got added circa 2014/2015 so it really shouldn’t be such a big deal to say, ‘nope, turns out that same-sex attraction and cross sex identity aren’t compatible, let’s split back up and do our own shit’

But somehow some folk are determined to wail and gnash their teeth over it

¯\(ツ)/¯

Please, let us work towards making the letters LGBTQ+ a badge of ignorance and shame, not something that employers should be plastering everywhere as proof of how progressive they are.

The TQ+ are doing it without any help from us.
The trans advocates demanded that we listen to queer and transgender people and the more people listened the more they realized that the Emperor was putting on a public display of dominance while in his skivvies.

@SapphosRock I’m a lesbian, I’ve experienced being called transphobic as I would not have sex with a pre-op transwoman. Now you can stop saying you don’t know of anyone who has experienced this.

Get the L out! Sick of being thrown under the bus to appease the menz

Exactly. And yet she manages to never tell other lesbians to accept 'ladydick'. I've never heard any lesbian use such a term IRL or online, I've only ever heard it on here.

She doesn't have a problem including them in Diva though does she?

Last time I picked up a copy, it had interviews with Munroe Bergdorf & Susie Green. And when I had a look at the website just now it was all about LGBTQI. That is emphatically not transwomen staying out of lesbian spaces - although of course Diva wouldn't be a lesbian space any more.

The first rule is Be Kind.

I bet it is.

LGB all the way.

Linda Riley is as TWAW as it gets.

Exactly. And yet she manages to never tell other lesbians to accept 'ladydick'. I've never heard any lesbian use such a term IRL or online, I've only ever heard it on here.

I'm a bi woman who was exclusively lesbian for most of my life. I've never liked the T being sutured on to what used to be LGB -- LGB is about orientation and sexuality, not gender identity which is a completely different thing.

In the 1920s-1930s gay and lesbian people used to be known as "inverts" for their "inverted" sex. It was most often, and started off as, a way of medicalising what was thought of as "deviant" sexuality, and then sometimes a way of gay people mainly lesbians -- being able to lay claim to a political narrative of their existence (see Radclyffe Hall). In the second half of the twentieth century we used to think we were more enlightened and had abandoned the discourse of being "inverts" to have a freer, better way of thinking about desire and sexuality.

Then "inversion" reappeared under a new guise of "trans", but really it's just the same old same old way of re-suturing sexuality back to gender (this time) instead of sex.

I don't want to be told that loving other women is the same as a confusion about my gender/sex role. I don't experience it like that, and I find it insulting and degrading to be told that it is. But somehow my hurt feelings aren't the same as those of a middle-aged man who believes in gendered souls. Why not?

Anyway, I also feel alienated from the rainbow flag now. I can't any longer support Pride when there are kink stalls at festivals and I'm expected to believe that people can be born in the wrong body. I would also distrust anyone wearing a rainbow lanyard as a HCP.

^ first paragraph not mine

Those statements are what that awful Riley Dennis says in that video posted up thread. So even the most hardened of trans activists are generally not pressuring lesbians to sleep with males.

Well, yes they are aren't they? Because TRA believe straight males become lesbians if they say they identify as a woman.

For clarity : I am a straight female. I stand with the LGB alliance. Those 2 screenshots above succinctly summarise my exact thoughts.
I'll do my best to be an LGB ally centering women.

Linda Riley is as TWAW as it gets.

User1937 ...you have a vivid imagination.

Classic cuckoo scenario.

I’ve never understood it.
LGB is about sexuality. Same sex attraction.
T is about gender identity.

I never get why’re they’re lumped together.