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Be an ally to lesbians: stop using LGBTQ+

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Shedbuilder · 18/06/2020 09:28

I'm a lesbian and I mentally parted company with Stonewall and began opposing it and a lot of other LGB organisations when they added the T and then the Q and then all the other identity letters to the original LGB.

LGB people are united by same-sex attraction. TQ and whatever are linked by their insistence on identity — defining themselves by feelings or whatever. LGB people are united by their experience of homophobia. Transgenderism, and its attack on sex, is inherently homophobic. The two cannot and could never exist comfortably together. As soon as Stonewall added the T to their constituency, it began working against its core community.

Stonewall and other organisations have done this by force. Uncoupling the LGB from the TQ+ is one of the most important things anyone with a GC stance can do.

Please, let us work towards making the letters LGBTQ+ a badge of ignorance and shame, not something that employers should be plastering everywhere as proof of how progressive they are.

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Deliriumoftheendless · 23/06/2020 15:54

@RufustheRowlingReindeer

Isn’t that a phone plan?

That’s probably what I’m thinking of 😀

And when i worked in a dress shop we had a friends and family discount are plan as well

LGBritishTelecom

I’ll stop now.

PurpleHoodie · 23/06/2020 15:47

And the Get the L Out gals.

PurpleHoodie · 23/06/2020 15:46

By the way. I think that Lesbian Alliance link deserves a thread all of it's own.

PurpleHoodie · 23/06/2020 15:45

Those awful gays eh, Datun?

If they believe LGBs are deviant then, yes, 'don't let the door hit you on the way out'

From one of DuDuDu's links, one Uni have an acronym that has two Q's. Appears to be Questioning and Queer. Just....

Datun · 23/06/2020 15:27

It would appear that the uncoupling the T might well be a mutual desire.

Here is prominent transactivist, Fox Fisher, representing mermaids, and saying that the T does not belong with the LGB, because the LGB is, um, 'deviant'.

archive.md/25JD3

BlueBooby · 23/06/2020 15:18

There probably is some sort of identity or sexuality for every letter of the alphabet now.

www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/z2fk3j6

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 23/06/2020 14:52

Isn’t that a phone plan?

That’s probably what I’m thinking of 😀

And when i worked in a dress shop we had a friends and family discount are plan as well

Thisismytimetoshine · 23/06/2020 14:41

@SerenityNowwwww

E for everyone?

This is the only way to achieve full inclusivity, for sure.

Deliriumoftheendless · 23/06/2020 14:37

@RufustheRowlingReindeer

Someone said F was in it

And that that included friends and family...that can’t be right!

Isn’t that a phone plan?

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 23/06/2020 14:36

I've heard of K for Kink.

Those poor kinksters

SerenityNowwwww · 23/06/2020 14:35

E for everyone?

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 23/06/2020 14:26

Someone said F was in it

And that that included friends and family...that can’t be right!

SerenityNowwwww · 23/06/2020 14:06

Agnostic?

BlueBooby · 23/06/2020 13:29

I believe some say the "A" in LGBTQIA+ (I think I've got that right, and am slightly amazed that I have) is for "asexual" and others say it's for "ally", and I think some say it represents both. I don't think that should be included with LGB either and have concerns about it. I think it gets overlooked because it's so navel-gazy, but I don't think it is harmless at all.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 23/06/2020 11:29

I am really not convinced at this point that he is either homophobic or a terrorist; his previous history seems to indicate that he is neither, just a violent man who has rotted his brain with drugs and drink overlaying a mental health problem and PTSD, and who has been in and out of prison and trouble with the police.

The eye-witness account I heard on the World Service was from a male who said that a knife-wielding nutter stabbed a lot of people in one group sitting on the ground, then went for him and his friends (who seemed to have been of both the standard human sexes) but they outran him, so he turned away from them and attacked a group with their backs to him who had not yet realised what was happening.

It may be that rather than it having been an attack targetting homosexuals, it is a horrible coincidence that the three people he killed were homosexuals who were part of the friendship group that he attacked; he seems simply to have been running amuck with a knife, for some reason not yet established but probably connected to his not being entirely sane.

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 23/06/2020 10:05

@wrongsideofhistorymyarse

Those poor men.

It just goes to show that homophobia is alive and well, and that gay and lesbian people still need protection, even in the UK.

It really does.

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 23/06/2020 09:05

Those poor men.

It just goes to show that homophobia is alive and well, and that gay and lesbian people still need protection, even in the UK.

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 23/06/2020 08:08

Its just horrific 💐

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/06/2020 00:59

Horrific story. Those poor chaps, and their friends and families

It really is

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/06/2020 00:34

It's really notable that in order to not alienate one group (those with a gender identity) another group (homosexual men) are alienated instead, and with a term which has history of being used as a slur against that very group. I wonder how they choose which group's feelings to spare.

I bet they considered that dilemma long and hard before coming to a decision.

PurpleHoodie · 23/06/2020 00:12

I would not be paying $100k plus to educate my child there.

PurpleHoodie · 23/06/2020 00:11

Those links DuDuDu