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Please help me with text to DIL

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StrangeTimes · 16/06/2020 08:21

My son has previously bitten my head off when I mention the rights of women and the rights of trans women. I’ve only spoken gently about it, but he’s soooo woke it’s a definite conversation stopper.

I’ve never mentioned it to my DIL specifically but she is a crazy Harry Potter fan and self proclaimed feminist. Last night I thought “Fuck it” and text her how proud I was of JK Rowling and she was my favourite person in the world right now.

She has replied “Why?”

I don’t want to mess this up, if I can make her understand then maybe she can get through to my son.

Any tips?

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TitianaTitsling · 16/06/2020 12:19

I'm a bio-medical scientist and a woman can be born with a penis.. ok what's your biomedical description of a 'woman'?

forsucksfake · 16/06/2020 11:51

So my DIL answered. “I know, I love her”

I love a happy ending! Glad you had the courage to discuss this with her.

I had a similar experience with a friend. I was terrified to let her know my GC views. It turns out she has stronger views than I and the willingness to put her job on the line for them!

Coreblimy · 16/06/2020 11:44

I would love it if my MIL texted me about controversial topics, even if we fundamentally disagreed. I love a good debate, and under the circumstances it's hardly like we can go to the pub to chat about it.

Harriett123 · 16/06/2020 11:43

For those who have questioned my point of view. I think that the sex you are born does not define your gender and so yes a woman can be born with a penis.
I am aware that this is not a popular view on this board so I am not trying to change anyone mind simply stating what I believe.

The point I was making is that being a fan of someone doesnt necessarily mean that you agree with everything they do or say.

I also think an adult child doesn't necessarily have to agree with their parents point of view. My mother is an anti vaxer and I'm a biomedical scientist. To say we disagree would be an understatement and we have had screaming matches about it. We just dont discuss the topic as we are both fully aware of the others point of view and rehashing an argument untill the other agrees would gain nothing and place a strain on our relationship. In this case if my mother text my partner about this in a sideways attempt to change my point of view I would call her out and it would result in an argument.

I'm glad that didnt happen here and this didnt put any strain on your relationship with your son.

AfterSchoolWorry · 16/06/2020 11:31

Bloody hell, I wouldn't touch that with a barge pole!

GADDay · 16/06/2020 11:11

@Smellbellina really... you think that randomly texting forcing your opinions to on your family is the what any good feminist should do Confused???

Helmetbymidnight · 16/06/2020 10:28

Oh fantastic! What a great outcome!

Bluesheep8 · 16/06/2020 10:24

Why do people have such conversations via text message?
Or any conversations for that matter?

ekidmxcl · 16/06/2020 10:12

You need to let your son have his own opinions.

ComeBy · 16/06/2020 10:08

It was your hidden agenda that was the issue.

Have a conversation with your DIL but be direct. Don’t passively aggressively use your DIL’s interest in HP to argue with your Ds.

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 16/06/2020 10:04

Well thats a relief strange

StrangeTimes · 16/06/2020 10:03

FFS - why is it never FIL and Stepdads!

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StrangeTimes · 16/06/2020 10:01

So my DIL answered. “I know, I love her”

So she is aware and assume was testing the waters to see what my opinion was with her “Why” comment.

Makes me love her more!! My son is so lucky to have her!

On a side note, I must admit to smiling at the MIL vitriol. Obviously I’m the MIL from hell for sending one text message!! Typical mnet feeling the hate for MILs and stepmums. Why is it Bebe PILs and Step dads? But that’s a whole other feminist thread!

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BaronessBrighterThanYou · 16/06/2020 10:00

You only need to get your woke person to give one line of JKR's that he or she disagrees with.

Please let us know which line is chosen.

FWIW I don't think you will be even getting a reply as, well, you know..

Purplephonecover · 16/06/2020 09:57

She might not know much about, I don’t. I’m busy working from home and home schooling, I know the rough details but I’ve not read a news article or the essay nor did I know that she had responded further.

R0wantrees · 16/06/2020 09:55

I'm a massive harry potter fan and a feminist but I dont agree with JKR point of view on transgender individuals

Which part/s of her point of view?

'J.K. Rowling Writes about Her Reasons for Speaking out on Sex and Gender Issues'

(extract)
"If you could come inside my head and understand what I feel when I read about a trans woman dying at the hands of a violent man, you’d find solidarity and kinship. I have a visceral sense of the terror in which those trans women will have spent their last seconds on earth, because I too have known moments of blind fear when I realised that the only thing keeping me alive was the shaky self-restraint of my attacker.

I believe the majority of trans-identified people not only pose zero threat to others, but are vulnerable for all the reasons I’ve outlined. Trans people need and deserve protection. Like women, they’re most likely to be killed by sexual partners. Trans women who work in the sex industry, particularly trans women of colour, are at particular risk. Like every other domestic abuse and sexual assault survivor I know, I feel nothing but empathy and solidarity with trans women who’ve been abused by men.

So I want trans women to be safe. At the same time, I do not want to make natal girls and women less safe." (continues)

www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

Smellbellina · 16/06/2020 09:51

Why would be an odd word to use as a brush off as it is essentially a question.

R0wantrees · 16/06/2020 09:50

My son has previously bitten my head off when I mention the rights of women and the rights of trans women. I’ve only spoken gently about it, but he’s soooo woke it’s a definite conversation stopper.

I think the bigger issue is the description of a man biting his mother's head off & preventing her raising concerns about women's rights & children's Safeguarding.

Smellbellina · 16/06/2020 09:49

Weird responses on this thread.

Why shouldn’t a MIL text her DIL about this topic again Confused

Am I on the right board? Feminism...I encourage any woman to discuss her thoughts about this, with anyone, even MIL’s.

If the DIL isn’t interested she doesn’t need to engage any further.

Enderthedragon · 16/06/2020 09:48

I agree that it's strange that you have started this when she hasn't even said anything about JKR?

I'm a massive harry potter fan and a feminist but I dont agree with JKR point of view on transgender individuals. My point of view is womens right and LGBTQ rights are not mutually exclusive.

So if we have a situation where a woman who has been sexually assaulted and is in a refuge does not want to share that refuge with someone with a penis, but the person with a penis thinks they should be allowed in that refuge because they identify as a woman, should the woman just deal with it because of the way the man feels and identifies?

Sorry to derail but I don't understand how you can't see a clash here? Especially if you are a feminist and therefore presumably care about women and girls?

DidoLamenting · 16/06/2020 09:46

If the "why" was meant to be confrontational she did a crap job of it. If a celeb had posted an essay that felt was sexist or racist and my mil texted me to let me know they were happy about it, I'd have more than "why" as a response

The OP describes her son as very woke. There is no way her daughter-in-law won't know what is going on. The one word reply is quite clearly a brush off.

GADDay · 16/06/2020 09:46

Eh? I don't get it. Why do you feel the need to say anything at all?

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 16/06/2020 09:44

@StrangeTimes

Hmmm you’re right in retrospect I shouldn’t have text her, but I woke up with a bee in my bonnet! Anyway too late, I did text her.

She’s an amazing, clever and wonderful DIL and I hope I haven’t pissed her off!

So am going to reply using one of PPs suggestions

Oh I really enjoyed the essay she wrote and thought it was a good way of addressing some concerns she had

Yeah I’d go for this

You can’t not answer, but i agree that you need to be very careful

I told ds1 partner about it because he had no idea, ds1 did

Beautiful3 · 16/06/2020 09:42

I wouldnt have imposed my views on others like that. My fil is like that, he argues with you until you agree. We now avoid him as much as possible.

Aspergallus · 16/06/2020 09:40

Wherever you stand on this issue, I’m not sure what reason there could be to actively go and antagonise someone into debating this with you, when they have expressed no interest in doing so.

Is there some back story as explanation? Are they trans-ing your grandchild? Are they in politics? Or do you just like to provoke conflict in your relationship with them?