Please help me with text to DIL

Thank you Baroness

Love the name mrshunt

I think you deserve a drink andy I too am reeling from what your DW had to say and must take some sips of red wine to get me back on track.

Body dysphoria is a thing, and those people may well be happier transitioning so that they look more like their preferred sex. Many women wouldn't object to fully transitioned people using female spaces. To me being willing to fully transition is a permanent commitment to living as if they were biologically female. But they aren't born in the wrong body imo - they have a disorder which transitioning might help to treat.
I saw a YouTube video this morning on AGP which is very enlightening when you look at the types of aggressive personalities dominating the TRA. I definitely don't want people whose sexual fetish is performing womanhood in female only spaces. I think the twaw supporters are only thinking about the poor people who feel desperately unhappy as they are and not about the men who have no intention of transitioning but still want all access to women only spaces.
The YouTube video was by Rod Fleming and he said that it's like a switch being flipped and they convince themselves that they have always been female but when challenged on their version of reality, these men display narcissistic rage.
In all honesty I don't think many women would want the crazy types on twitter having free access to women's bathrooms etc.
I didn't agree with everything RF said on that video but it was certainly food for thought about AGP.

I have just had a word with my lovely DW, who is a biotechnologist and biologist and she has confirmed what I suspected - women are not born with penises. She has also told me that no human being has ever changed sex.
This all came as a tremendous surprise to me.
Honest

perhaps she just identifies as a scientist?

Let me get this straight.

Harriet comes here and says women can be born with a penis and in the same breath confirms that she knows that's not a popular view here but says it anyway because science or something. And then chooses not to discuss why she thinks some women have a penis. And then when called out on what word a scientist would use to describe a female person chooses not to engage again? Liberal feminism is all about choices isn't it?

I choose to believe that a scientist would not behave like that.

:) gawd, imagine GADDay in your family

Q. did you watch 'normal people'? wasnt it ace!
A. how dare you force your unsolicited opinions on me, you odd person.

@Smellbellina nah no issues on my end. Sending unsolicited opinions by text to a family member is a bit odd and definitely falls into the camp of forcing your opinions on somebody. To say that doing so is good feminist behaviour is just batshit.

Well done, OP! It was brave of you to speak out and I’m glad it has enhanced your friendship with DDIL.

@GADDay

You have issues. Expressing an opinion isn’t forcing that opinion on anyone.

so in my view a trans woman and a woman are equal. ?

how long have you been a scientist?

if I remembered that correctly and if we applied it to the whole twitter debate, the average man would have a less pleasant, more aggressive and less carefully worded tweet than the average woman...

Ihaventgot, you could try a personality test... I think men on average score lower on agreeableness, possibly also lower on conscientiousness. Higher on aggression markers...

But as those are average, it will probably tell you absolutely nothing

I'm genuinely surprised that a biomedical scientist believes in the concept of women's and men's brains as independent to female and male bodies.

How do I discover if I have a man's brain, I wonder...

I never denied that there are different sexes in fact I explicitly stated the terms Male and female are used to define the use of a subject.

5/5/2020
Ralph Lucas (House of Lords Conservative Peer) via twitter in reponse to his question asked of UK government:

"Definitions. The government has helpfully pointed out the definitions that they use

"Man": from the Equality Act 2010: 'A male of any age'

"Woman": from the Equality Act 2010: 'A female of any age'

twitter.com/LordLucasCD/status/1257642473368760320

Thank you to the posters who stood up for my right to express a different opinion even if it's one you disagree with.

You of course have the right to express an opinion.

I have the right to challenge you on that opinion.

You have the right to not answer the questions put to you.

No one on this thread has insulted you or attacked you, you have been allowed to express your opinion and others have been allowed to challenge it.

I never denied that there are different sexes in fact I explicitly stated the terms Male and female are used to define the use of a subject.

I was wrong on the definition of woman I apologise for that. My point of view of gender and sex is still the same and these are different things so in my view a trans woman and a woman are equal. I know this is an unpopular opinion but I stated multiple times I was expressing my opinion and did not want to engage in an argument but here we are.

Thank you to the posters who stood up for my right to express a different opinion even if it's one you disagree with.

I'm now leaving this thread so feel free to keep arguing with yourself

What word would one use if they were describing an adult human female? As opposed to perhaps a female dog, or a female cow?

I'm not sure what that picture is ment to show as nowhere does it mention sex or gender or Male or female or man or woman.

It illustrates the importance of classification in science.

Homosapiens are male or female sex. There are specific words to describe these two groups which distinguish them from males & females of other species.

I'm not sure what that picture is ment to show as nowhere does it mention sex or gender or Male or female or man or woman.

And I know that the original post was about something slightly different, but I just have to call out stuff like 'women can have penises' when I see it, because it's so damaging to women and girls.

Well, actually the collective word for those oppressed would be females as girls are just as oppressed as women.

Yes, and the definition of woman is 'adult human female'. The definition of girl is 'female child'. As Rowan said, 'female' is not just used for humans, that's what we have the word 'woman' and 'girl' for. So no, women don't have penises.

Words have meaning, who knew eh?!

Otherwise I could say that I am a biomedical science, despite the fact that my degree is in English Literature, I am a primary school teacher and I have never set foot in any sort of biomedical laboratory.

The terms men and women dont tend to be used in scientific literature. The terms male and female are used to denote the sex of subjects and yes these terms refer to the sex organs.

The terms male & female are not specific to human beings.
You don't think scientific literature uses classification words which are specific to human males & females?

I was genuinely interested! Not arguing!