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Revolt at publisher Hachette re Rowling "transphobia"

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Lamahaha · 16/06/2020 06:05

Young staff members threatened a strike apparently:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8424029/JK-Rowling-publishers-revolt-Workers-publishing-house-Hachette-threaten-tools.html

My heart sank when I read that headline and the opening paragraphs, since I have professional "connections" to Hachette:

Publishing staff working on JK Rowling’s latest book threatened to down tools yesterday in protest at her views on gender.
...
Yesterday morning at publishing house Hachette, several of those involved in Miss Rowling’s new children’s book, The Ickabog, are said to have staged their own rebellion during a heated meeting. One source said: ‘Staff in the children’s department at Hachette announced they were no longer prepared to work on the book.

‘They said they were opposed to her comments and wanted to show support for the trans lobby. These staff are all very “woke”, mainly in their twenties and early thirties, and apparently it is an issue they feel very strongly about.’

But fortunately the grown-ups held up to the toys-out-of-the-pram tantrum:

Last night Hachette issued a statement backing Miss Rowling’s right to express herself. It said: ‘We are proud to publish JK Rowling’s children’s fairy tale The Ickabog. Freedom of speech is the cornerstone of publishing. We fundamentally believe that everyone has the right to express their own thoughts and beliefs. That’s why we never comment on our authors’ personal views and we respect our employees’ right to hold a different view.

‘We will never make our employees work on a book whose content they find upsetting for personal reasons, but we draw a distinction between that and refusing to work on a book because they disagree with an author’s views outside their writing, which runs contrary to our belief in free speech.’

I can't say how pleased and proud I am. Well done Hachette.

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Siablue · 17/06/2020 16:18

Does anyone honestly think JKR won’t be able to publish her work. In the very unlikely event that she was dropped she could start her own publishing company. The top 5 most read books this week on Amazon are hers.

Thisismytimetoshine · 17/06/2020 16:14

@TheFormerPorpentinaScamander

Sorry haven't rtft.

My friend (who is firmly against JKR in all of this) sent me a link to the article crowing that "haha she won't even have a publisher soon. They've threatened to drop her" Confused
Did I completely misunderstand the article because I read it as the complete opposite - Hatchette are standing by her?

Your friend appears to be a total moron. Be mindful of the company you keep.
Helmetbymidnight · 17/06/2020 16:12

Hachette are standing by her, but your mate may have a point, if this continues to escalate in 5 years anyone who asserts biological sex is a thing could be out of a job.

TheFormerPorpentinaScamander · 17/06/2020 16:08

Sorry haven't rtft.

My friend (who is firmly against JKR in all of this) sent me a link to the article crowing that "haha she won't even have a publisher soon. They've threatened to drop her" Confused
Did I completely misunderstand the article because I read it as the complete opposite - Hatchette are standing by her?

Helmetbymidnight · 17/06/2020 16:01

The debate is continuing on twitter. I can see a female publishing expert compare JKR to Polanski and Woody Allen, and calling people Terfs.

Its...depressing.

SerenityNowwwww · 17/06/2020 12:55

@TheProdigalKittensReturn

Indeed. These young people are less "sweet naive baby" and more "Lord of the Flies". Their action was intended to hurt Rowling because she pissed them off. Don't let them off the hook for the fundamental malice of what they were trying to do just because it didn't work.
Well, I hope their boss makes sure they have put on some exciting new projects:

History of Vomit
Taxidermy for beginners
Foot Fungus - flora and fauna
Most gruesome murders - in full colour with fold outs
DIY Colonoscopy for Dummies
How to Lance A Biol - the Sporners Edition
Dentistry - how to extract your own wisdom tooth in 100 easy steps

Igneococcus · 17/06/2020 11:35

Share token for the Times opinion piece:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/6a82fdda-b007-11ea-839f-3d38a5cc49e9?shareToken=189a084f8a700e828cc0efe720ff489f

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/06/2020 11:30

Indeed. These young people are less "sweet naive baby" and more "Lord of the Flies". Their action was intended to hurt Rowling because she pissed them off. Don't let them off the hook for the fundamental malice of what they were trying to do just because it didn't work.

Yes. The RAGE that they can't control what people say is immense.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 17/06/2020 10:35

Indeed. These young people are less "sweet naive baby" and more "Lord of the Flies". Their action was intended to hurt Rowling because she pissed them off. Don't let them off the hook for the fundamental malice of what they were trying to do just because it didn't work.

forsucksfake · 17/06/2020 10:31

hearts are in the right place

What a generous characterisation. Astoundingly naive.

As I hesitated to send my email of support to Hachette for their decision, I had to consider the possible ramifications (doxxing, physical attacks, bullying, threats to my employers, sending armed police to my home claiming a violent crime in progress) of putting my email address in one of these people whose "hearts are in the right place."

TeenPlusTwenties · 17/06/2020 09:44

Good opinion piece in today's Times, page 31. Backing Hachette, JKR and freedom of speech.

Thisismytimetoshine · 16/06/2020 23:10

hearts are in the right place, they’re just all woefully misguided
But the brains certainly aren't. They didn't evolve to be situated in your arse.

SuckingDieselFella · 16/06/2020 22:52

@NoSquirrels

Maturity is the ability to accept that different opinions from one's own exist. Others have a right to them without being 'cancelled'. It's also the ability to understand that difference does not equal moral corruption.

The Tarquins and Henriettas at Hachette don't seem to have these abilities.

NoSquirrels · 16/06/2020 22:16

If they care so passionately about trans rights why don't they do something useful? Why not set up an organisation to support trans authors to get published? Or crowd fund to enable a trans author to self publish? Or donate part of their salary to organisations that support trans people? But they won't because it's much easier to kick up a fuss about something than to actually do something constructive.

The thing is, as I said, they’ll genuinely believe that standing up to express their unhappiness is in fact a political and transformative act. It runs very deep and a lot of these staff probably will be involved in diversity initiatives, donate to these charities, actively support trans writers etc.

They’ve just swallowed the Kool-Aid that any gender critical views, no matter how expressed, are transphobic and damaging to young people.

Children’s publishing is a) deeply concerned with empathy and self-expression for kids and breaking down stereotypes and representing diversity and also b) less full of those interested in exploring critically through non-fiction essays tricky political issues.

It’s too black and white to say they’re all stupid babies - it’s just this row wouldn’t be the same if the staff were in the adult division I am very sure. Children’s publishing is wonderful, full of wonderful people but it is also predominantly young people, even much more so than adult publishing. And its sensibilities make it more prone to this sort of tribalism - hearts are in the right place, they’re just all woefully misguided. (In my opinion, of course).

Jaxhog · 16/06/2020 22:09

It almost makes me believe in fairies!

transdimensional · 16/06/2020 22:06

I have many strong opinions but I can't think of anything stupider than believing that only books that echo my own views should be allowed to go to print.
Oh wait, yes I can think of something stupider... Thinking that only books by authors that agree with my views should go to print, even when the book is uncontroversial and nothing to do with the disagreement.

SuckingDieselFella · 16/06/2020 21:32

@TorkTorkBam

Maybe they should only let parents work on children's books.
No, only adults.

And many kids understand their place in the world better than these spoilt babies.

PamDenick · 16/06/2020 21:16

Yup. I'm looking forward to the film of this too.
Or we could all just watch The Crucible again?

Goody Rawlings is a witch. Says the teenage mean girls.

TorkTorkBam · 16/06/2020 21:16

Maybe they should only let parents work on children's books.

PamDenick · 16/06/2020 21:15

you sound like a wonderful parent.

SerenityNowwwww · 16/06/2020 21:10

“Steffi, Jeffi, Kitz, Marx, ZiZi and Arabella-foo-foo demand that you denounce JK Rowling and stop publishing her books right now... or else they will be very cross...”

TheSingingKettle49 · 16/06/2020 20:55

I would give anything to have been a fly on the wall at that meeting!

Can you just imagine:

“Either I go or you refuse to publish a book by world renowned author and cash cow JK Rowling - which is it?!”

twoHopes · 16/06/2020 20:54

One of the things I find sad is this destructive attitude towards everything. Find something upsetting or offensive? Think something is unjust? "Cancel it". "Censor it". "Tear it down".

If they care so passionately about trans rights why don't they do something useful? Why not set up an organisation to support trans authors to get published? Or crowd fund to enable a trans author to self publish? Or donate part of their salary to organisations that support trans people? But they won't because it's much easier to kick up a fuss about something than to actually do something constructive.

SerenityNowwwww · 16/06/2020 20:40

If I was the boss “Don’t want to work on it? Who the f* are you to refuse to do the work I ask you to do? The door is over there...”

Lamahaha · 16/06/2020 20:37

One source said: ‘Staff in the children’s department at Hachette announced they were no longer prepared to work on the book.

I would give anything to have been a fly on the wall at that meeting!
Or imagine ten years down the line, when this is all behind us and they make the movie (and they will) -- what a delicious scene!

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