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Revolt at publisher Hachette re Rowling "transphobia"

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Lamahaha · 16/06/2020 06:05

Young staff members threatened a strike apparently:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8424029/JK-Rowling-publishers-revolt-Workers-publishing-house-Hachette-threaten-tools.html

My heart sank when I read that headline and the opening paragraphs, since I have professional "connections" to Hachette:

Publishing staff working on JK Rowling’s latest book threatened to down tools yesterday in protest at her views on gender.
...
Yesterday morning at publishing house Hachette, several of those involved in Miss Rowling’s new children’s book, The Ickabog, are said to have staged their own rebellion during a heated meeting. One source said: ‘Staff in the children’s department at Hachette announced they were no longer prepared to work on the book.

‘They said they were opposed to her comments and wanted to show support for the trans lobby. These staff are all very “woke”, mainly in their twenties and early thirties, and apparently it is an issue they feel very strongly about.’

But fortunately the grown-ups held up to the toys-out-of-the-pram tantrum:

Last night Hachette issued a statement backing Miss Rowling’s right to express herself. It said: ‘We are proud to publish JK Rowling’s children’s fairy tale The Ickabog. Freedom of speech is the cornerstone of publishing. We fundamentally believe that everyone has the right to express their own thoughts and beliefs. That’s why we never comment on our authors’ personal views and we respect our employees’ right to hold a different view.

‘We will never make our employees work on a book whose content they find upsetting for personal reasons, but we draw a distinction between that and refusing to work on a book because they disagree with an author’s views outside their writing, which runs contrary to our belief in free speech.’

I can't say how pleased and proud I am. Well done Hachette.

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Siablue · 17/06/2020 20:59

That is interesting about them publishing Juno Dawson. I was looking at one of her books on Amazon and some more came up in her former name. This is something a publisher could change (not obviously if it involved pulping the books).

NoSquirrels · 17/06/2020 20:50

Indeed. These young people are less "sweet naive baby" and more "Lord of the Flies". Their action was intended to hurt Rowling because she pissed them off. Don't let them off the hook for the fundamental malice of what they were trying to do just because it didn't work.

See, we’ll have to agree to differ on this. I think there will actually have been some really conflicted people on that team who genuinely needed to say something ... despite it being completely pointless. For instance, Hachette children’s also publish Juno Dawson, whose career has done very well since coming out as trans, incidentally, and whose books are winning awards. Publishing is small and people working in it have other established relationships with authors & agents etc they may feel need protecting.

I think it doesn’t do anyone any favours to present it as if the people were TRAs or bullies. They might have failed to distinguish between what’s reasonable free speech and what’s dangerous hate speech but it doesn’t necessarily mean they themselves are malicious or acting in bad faith.

Siablue · 17/06/2020 19:45

Does anyone follow Emily’s Comics. She has a cartoon called my life as a background Slytherin. So basically her whole career is in writing fan fiction. She drew a comic denouncing JKR. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. I have unfollowed her on Instagram but just had a look all the Comics are up on her website.

JKR could have made her take them down at any point. She is not the only one there are others. The Leaky Caldron Website have done the same, They seem to genuinely think they can make money from Harry Potter whilst criticising JKR.

Igneococcus · 17/06/2020 18:38

I think Cartimandua is female based on some other stuff they posted before.
Disgusted of Manchester told me once that there is absolutely no brain development happening throughout puberty and it's completely ridiculous of me to claim that there is.
They are both providing great opportunity to put GC points across again and again. I don't know if they realize that.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 17/06/2020 18:09

Ereshkigalangcleg
It's great to see that it's not just women calling out Cartimandua's drivel, but countless men posting to call him out under that article. There has been a massive shift in recent weeks with the population generally being more aware because of JKR - and TRAs like him have done it all themselves. The joy of sunlight. Smile

SerenityNowwwww · 17/06/2020 18:07

It’s like a small child who has a strop at one parent resulting to give them chocolate ice cream for breakfast and stomps to the other parent demanding that the ‘bad’ parent has to go.

Datun · 17/06/2020 18:04

“Either I go or you refuse to publish a book by world renowned author and cash cow JK Rowling - which is it?!”

🤣

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/06/2020 17:34

Share token for the Times opinion piece:

I see "Cartimandua" is making their reliably sane and balanced comments again.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/06/2020 17:30

It's worse than that .... if she so wished she could set it up to specifically publish works the wokespoke brigade disapprove of. The fact she hasn't already suggests she is a far far better person than I am.

Same here!

SerenityNowwwww · 17/06/2020 17:29

@TitianaTitsling

The doxxing does worry me. What were the repercussions of the mn staffer/intern who did so?
A finger wagging I think. ‘Sah-weeee, I won’t do it again...’.

I've called the police myself. Anyone who DMed that Audible one would have been worried.

Thisismytimetoshine · 17/06/2020 17:28

I wonder. I seem to remember they were remarkably forgiving of her "mistake" Hmm

TitianaTitsling · 17/06/2020 17:27

For not of!

TitianaTitsling · 17/06/2020 17:26

The doxxing does worry me. What were the repercussions of the mn staffer/intern who did so?

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 17/06/2020 17:26

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FishAreAcquaintancesNotFood · 17/06/2020 17:24

^hes an 'online friend' and lives a few thousand miles away, although we have chatted most days for the last 5 years. We originally bonded over our mutual love of Harry Potter which he has now declared 'shit'. hmm
This is one of the only things we have ever fallen out about sad (the other being guns). I think we will add JKR/trans issues to our very small list of things we don't discuss.^

Has he ever mentioned any other authors? I'm sure all the male authors he enjoys are completely "TWAW" and never said anything homophobic, racist, sexist and have never been #metoo'd ?

There seems to be a large blind spot for men who can enjoy books like Lolita or books by authors who have been openly misogynystic in their real lives.

FishAreAcquaintancesNotFood · 17/06/2020 17:19

My friend (who is firmly against JKR in all of this) sent me a link to the article crowing that "haha she won't even have a publisher soon. They've threatened to drop her" confused Did I completely misunderstand the article because I read it as the complete opposite - Hatchette are standing by her?

Actual lol at anyone being stupid enough to drop JK. I'm sure the people who let HP pass through their fingers the first time still kick themselves 20 odd years later.

Lamahaha · 17/06/2020 16:56

@ProfessorSlocombe

She could easily start her own publishing company if Hachette changed its mind about dropping her. She's fixed for life.

It's worse than that .... if she so wished she could set it up to specifically publish works the wokespoke brigade disapprove of. The fact she hasn't already suggests she is a far far better person than I am.

Absolutely! The revenge would be sweet! I wish she would.
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ProfessorSlocombe · 17/06/2020 16:52

She could easily start her own publishing company if Hachette changed its mind about dropping her. She's fixed for life.

It's worse than that .... if she so wished she could set it up to specifically publish works the wokespoke brigade disapprove of. The fact she hasn't already suggests she is a far far better person than I am.

TheFormerPorpentinaScamander · 17/06/2020 16:51

Oh I pierced his bubble. Pointed out all the flaws.
Then we changed the subject.

Lamahaha · 17/06/2020 16:49

Day by day, she is making millions and will continue to do so even if she never writes another word. That is the beauty of royalties: the books continue to work for the author and even the author's heirs after death, for 75 years.
She could easily start her own publishing company if Hachette changed its mind about dropping her. She's fixed for life. Tell that to your friend.

Hachette needs her more than she needs Hachette. That's what those woke bros don't get.

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Roseburn · 17/06/2020 16:48

She could probably buy Hachette .... Grin

TorkTorkBam · 17/06/2020 16:43

@TheFormerPorpentinaScamander

Sorry haven't rtft.

My friend (who is firmly against JKR in all of this) sent me a link to the article crowing that "haha she won't even have a publisher soon. They've threatened to drop her" Confused
Did I completely misunderstand the article because I read it as the complete opposite - Hatchette are standing by her?

Your friend lives in an echo chamber, a bubble. Are you going to pierce it?
TheFormerPorpentinaScamander · 17/06/2020 16:40

Grin hes an 'online friend' and lives a few thousand miles away, although we have chatted most days for the last 5 years. We originally bonded over our mutual love of Harry Potter which he has now declared 'shit'. Hmm
This is one of the only things we have ever fallen out about :( (the other being guns). I think we will add JKR/trans issues to our very small list of things we don't discuss.

I did point out that if Hachette did drop her she would easily find someone else to publish. Or self publish. She's not exactly unknown.

ProfessorSlocombe · 17/06/2020 16:24

Does anyone honestly think JKR won’t be able to publish her work.

She could probably buy Hachette ....

Goosefoot · 17/06/2020 16:20

The thing is, as I said, they’ll genuinely believe that standing up to express their unhappiness is in fact a political and transformative act. It runs very deep and a lot of these staff probably will be involved in diversity initiatives, donate to these charities, actively support trans writers etc.

Yes, this is all over the "political" discourse at the moment. It's all about cheap grace.