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Reply from the Body Shop re JKR... just so dreadful...

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onlywomennotmen · 15/06/2020 17:34

Apparently men menstruate too...

^Hello, and thank you for getting in touch with us about our recent tweet to JK Rowling. We wanted to respond to everyone who has reached out to us to clarify our position on this issue.

We are longstanding supporters of the rights of women and girls on issues which affect them and believe it is important to keep having conversations around difficult topics such as this. Every person has the right to live their life free from the fear of violence, especially gender-based violence. The Body Shop has been an active campaigner on this issue since 1994.

The Body Shop’s position on menstruation in relation to trans and non-binary people is that we stand with ALL menstruators. People have periods – women, men and non-binary people. And plenty of women don’t. We value learning from everyone’s experience and we believe the conversation needs to go forwards, not backwards.

We disagree with JK Rowling’s view and wanted to demonstrate our support for trans and non-binary people. We understand why addressing the tweet to JK Rowling’s personal account has been interpreted as an attack on her as an individual, and as a domestic abuse survivor. That was absolutely not our intention. We didn’t get the tone right on this one and we do want to engage respectfully and constructively on these important issues.

We believe it is important to keep having conversations around difficult topics such as this, and doing so constructively. We recognise that our engagement with JK Rowling on this occasion wasn’t as constructive as we would like to be. We all need to educate ourselves, be inclusive and stand together so that we can end the shame and stigma around periods for all menstruators and stand up for what is right in our society.

We stand by our position on the rights of trans and non-binary people, and we will learn from this execution to ensure our communication is stronger and more constructive in the future.

We hope this helps you understand our position. We appreciated hearing yours.^

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Sexnotgender · 17/06/2020 11:15

@SerenityNowwwww

I’ve had an insight. I recently followed a younger female relative (she’s mid 30s) on social media.

I don’t know her very well (geography) but know she is a mum to a little girl and has been sexually assaulted (mum not the girl).

Just a peek into the mentality of today’s women - pro choice (ok), pro guns (in the US, so I understand that nonsense), very very very pro-lgbt - she doesn’t realise that T wasn’t there before. She was recently wailing about a change in the law that would protect LGB people from being fired on the basis of their sexuality (but it covered sex not gender, so T wasn’t covered). It was put as ‘lgbt rights destroyed (crying emoji)’.

Not a single message, meme, link, rant etc about women’s rights or issues. Not a single one. No critical thinking or analysis. I don’t want to get into a bun fight so I’m just going to mute her.

Will her daughter turn to her later on and say ‘mom, what did you do to protect my rights?’ I would have hoped having a little girl might have opened her eyes a bit.

It depends on social circles too, I’m 38 and am fully rad fem. I’ve lost similar aged friends who are woke. Some have daughters, I hope their eyes open eventually.
Fanthorpe · 17/06/2020 10:55

A few years ago I made a comment to the Body Shop Twitter about Black Friday promotions, saying it was a shame that they’d moved so far from their ethical and campaigning beginnings. They wrote back that I was remembering something from a long time ago and maybe their brand was no longer for me.

While this is probably true it seems a shame as I think the drive to conserve the planet has become much more mainstream today than it was in the early 80’s when I was young.

JollyYellaHumberElla · 17/06/2020 09:40

Body shop outsourced all their marketing and brand management to 3 agencies last year. Jessie probably came in to do this bit.

One of the more hipster London based ones manages their social media strategy. They are named in the drum article above. Brands itself as ‘Making Awesome Shit Happen Since 2007’. Cool.

The whole thing is an example of big corporations (BS sold out to a massive cosmetic brand ages ago) using something called ‘social movement marketing’. A cheap and effective way of jumping on a disadvantaged group or cause, to reach a ready made audience, sell your product and gain market share through profile.

I doubt the board or CEO will even remember or care about what cause they are promoting. It’s all just strategy and media visibility stat’s.

Someone at the agency will tell BS it’s all great and they are leading the way in provocation and social activism. Template letter provided to comm’s department for complaints etc.

greathat · 17/06/2020 09:28

I emailed, got no response at all. I may have been a bit ranty. Maybe they were lost by the word misogyny

Newbee9 · 17/06/2020 09:19

Smile I give up! This is why I don’t post 😂

Newbee9 · 17/06/2020 09:18

*document posted in Fabtaora’s post.

Newbee9 · 17/06/2020 09:14

Typo: TBS

Newbee9 · 17/06/2020 09:13

New to posting. Avid reader/lurker for a few years.
Jessie MacNeil-Brown mentioned in document as TVS campaigns Unit Manager, check her out on LinkedIn.
Background - worked for Amnesty Int as Global Campaigns Manager. Describes herself as “a feminist“. Left TBS in March 2020. Just started at IKEA. Is this a leftover from her legacy or is the new Head of Global campaigns responsible? Questions??

teawamutu · 17/06/2020 09:06

Bodyshop board members - guys, if you're reading this (and we know you are guys) - we might be invisible older women to you, but by and large we have disposable cash, perimenopausal skin, a very clear understanding of biology, drier hair than we used to, massive compassion and interest in women's causes around the world, a willingness to pay a bit extra to support genuine fair trade and enterprises that benefit women, a nostalgia for dewberry and white musk, and a severe intolerance to misogynist bullshit. You could have cornered the scented bath product market here by knowing who your customers are and being courageous. Instead you decided to try to get in with the popular kids by joining in with the bullying.

Brilliantly put.

wellbehavedwomen · 17/06/2020 08:37

It doesn't especially matter. I can't see the Body Shop surviving the coming economic crash, anyway. They're over-priced, what they sell now is tat, and their shops are always empty. They're only still around at all because they have an MLM model - and again, in a huge recession, there are only so many over-priced, under-delivering products women will buy from their friends.

I'll be very sad for their staff when they go into administration. But I will gloat for the senior management's unemployment, after this. Their contempt for women is disgusting. They chimed in on a thread in which endless rape threats were being made to a woman who had been open about her own sexual assault, in a manner which supported those threats, in agreeing to cast her as the one in the wrong. And they are still refusing to properly apologise for it. That's skin-crawlingly fucking awful, on every possible level.

Ironic, that a company flogging soap should choose to be such utter filth.

SerenityNowwwww · 17/06/2020 08:31

I’ve had an insight. I recently followed a younger female relative (she’s mid 30s) on social media.

I don’t know her very well (geography) but know she is a mum to a little girl and has been sexually assaulted (mum not the girl).

Just a peek into the mentality of today’s women - pro choice (ok), pro guns (in the US, so I understand that nonsense), very very very pro-lgbt - she doesn’t realise that T wasn’t there before. She was recently wailing about a change in the law that would protect LGB people from being fired on the basis of their sexuality (but it covered sex not gender, so T wasn’t covered). It was put as ‘lgbt rights destroyed (crying emoji)’.

Not a single message, meme, link, rant etc about women’s rights or issues. Not a single one. No critical thinking or analysis. I don’t want to get into a bun fight so I’m just going to mute her.

Will her daughter turn to her later on and say ‘mom, what did you do to protect my rights?’ I would have hoped having a little girl might have opened her eyes a bit.

LonginesPrime · 17/06/2020 08:28

Imagine how different all this would have been if they'd sent that bag to JK in genuine solidarity with her as a woman, a survivor of domestic abuse and a victim of vile trolling and online bullying

"Aww, have some bath salts"

Hmm

Yeah, as horrific as that would have been, I guess that's actually still marginally better.

MadamShazam · 17/06/2020 08:19

I couldn't be more sick of this shit if I tried. Absolutely sick of it. I have no issue with what people identify with, but why are people so offended by gender??? I feel like the Suffrage movement and feminism never happened. Angry

AbsintheFriends · 17/06/2020 07:56

I'm not in retail or marketing but it's baffling to me why they're trying so hard to ride on Lush's rainbow coloured tailwind when the blue hairs (who have little disposable income anyway) are already loyal to that brand.

Imagine how different all this would have been if they'd sent that bag to JK in genuine solidarity with her as a woman, a survivor of domestic abuse and a victim of vile trolling and online bullying. Still a cynical marketing move, sure, but I bet their figures for the past week would have looked a whole lot more healthy if they'd gone with #IStandWithJKR.

Bodyshop board members - guys, if you're reading this (and we know you are guys) - we might be invisible older women to you, but by and large we have disposable cash, perimenopausal skin, a very clear understanding of biology, drier hair than we used to, massive compassion and interest in women's causes around the world, a willingness to pay a bit extra to support genuine fair trade and enterprises that benefit women, a nostalgia for dewberry and white musk, and a severe intolerance to misogynist bullshit. You could have cornered the scented bath product market here by knowing who your customers are and being courageous. Instead you decided to try to get in with the popular kids by joining in with the bullying.

Bad business move. In the words of one of the spokesmen for your chosen movement, 'enjoy ur erasure.'

MrsJamin · 17/06/2020 07:49

In that email to the mlm consultants... What in God's name is a Menstrual Movement?! 🙄 Still really considering sending back to their HQ the tiny amount of hemp handcream I have left, as I can't bring myself to use it!

MrsKypp · 17/06/2020 03:06

What do they mean by men have periods?

That's just totally bizarre.

I don't expect the Body Shop to be run by a team of gynaecologists, but you don't need to study medicine at Oxford to know that men don't have periods.

FantaOra · 17/06/2020 02:22

In a bizzare twist the agency hired to work on brand strategy is called Mother.

www.thedrum.com/news/2019/06/25/body-shop-brings-three-agencies-help-it-shout-about-its-purpose-based-heritage

LonginesPrime · 17/06/2020 02:04

Does anyone know how we can find out whether these companies are actually being funded by the trans lobby (or rather, the taxpayer via the trans lobby?)

I doubt it - suspect they were more likely trying to score some woke points with a younger demographic because all their current customers have realised they don't actually need scented soaps in their life at the moment.

Are there laws about who can make request to view their accounts? Would you have to be a shareholder or board member, I wonder?

No, it's a private company, so there are no shareholders to answer to - their accounts are freely available on companies house, though.

It's owned by Natura, a Brazilian company that also owns Aesop.

TheStateofDetroit · 17/06/2020 01:53

Im disgusted at the Body Shop. Let the menz smell like 1990. JK Rowling is amazing for standing up and being counted.

FantaOra · 17/06/2020 01:46

www.bond.org.uk/person/jessie-macneil-brown

Who would have guessed. Women's Equality Party. Behind the troll JKRowling campaign.

Biscuit
Thisismytimetoshine · 17/06/2020 01:39

Activist hubs Confused. "Brand purpose" to focus on gender equality Confused
Have they forgotten they're selling skincare?!

FantaOra · 17/06/2020 01:32

Picked this up on the boycott body shop hashtag. They made the mistake of picking libfem pomo airheads in their quest to be a "real" feminist brand.

Fascinating fuck up.

Reply from the Body Shop re JKR... just so dreadful...
Userzzz · 17/06/2020 01:30

Won't be buying from them anymore.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/06/2020 01:28

Crazy what we have to be grateful for in these strange days.

Very! But tampon makers who know what a woman is, in these times, get my approval.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/06/2020 01:27

I was going to joke about who other could have tested them than women. Then I remembered. Not the image I want before bed!

Hell no!ShockEnvy (not envy)