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Reply from the Body Shop re JKR... just so dreadful...

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onlywomennotmen · 15/06/2020 17:34

Apparently men menstruate too...

^Hello, and thank you for getting in touch with us about our recent tweet to JK Rowling. We wanted to respond to everyone who has reached out to us to clarify our position on this issue.

We are longstanding supporters of the rights of women and girls on issues which affect them and believe it is important to keep having conversations around difficult topics such as this. Every person has the right to live their life free from the fear of violence, especially gender-based violence. The Body Shop has been an active campaigner on this issue since 1994.

The Body Shop’s position on menstruation in relation to trans and non-binary people is that we stand with ALL menstruators. People have periods – women, men and non-binary people. And plenty of women don’t. We value learning from everyone’s experience and we believe the conversation needs to go forwards, not backwards.

We disagree with JK Rowling’s view and wanted to demonstrate our support for trans and non-binary people. We understand why addressing the tweet to JK Rowling’s personal account has been interpreted as an attack on her as an individual, and as a domestic abuse survivor. That was absolutely not our intention. We didn’t get the tone right on this one and we do want to engage respectfully and constructively on these important issues.

We believe it is important to keep having conversations around difficult topics such as this, and doing so constructively. We recognise that our engagement with JK Rowling on this occasion wasn’t as constructive as we would like to be. We all need to educate ourselves, be inclusive and stand together so that we can end the shame and stigma around periods for all menstruators and stand up for what is right in our society.

We stand by our position on the rights of trans and non-binary people, and we will learn from this execution to ensure our communication is stronger and more constructive in the future.

We hope this helps you understand our position. We appreciated hearing yours.^

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tropafp8 · 18/06/2020 18:31

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SerenityNowwwww · 18/06/2020 18:29

Has he said anything? I suspect not. I really want tot know who wrote their cut and paste response. Who actually picked out the words on their keyboard ‘men have periods’?

YourVagesty · 18/06/2020 18:25

Just read this on Boynton's LinkedIn page:

'I am naturally highly accountable.'

Are you though David, really? Because I haven't even had a response from yet and from where I'm sitting, The Body Shop is 100% paralysed by its own monumental fuck-up last week.

SerenityNowwwww · 18/06/2020 15:15

Did Thyrwits sell special shirts for men for when they had their periods?

Maybe a little extra cotton around the tummy for bloating? Shorter on the tail in case of any unfortunate flooding? Secret hanky locked for blubbery trips to the loos?

FantaOra · 18/06/2020 15:02

Boynton was previously the CEO of British men's clothing chain Charles Tyrwhitt. He must be mega pissed off at this chaos landing on his head because some numpties decided to start banging on about men's periods as a stupid marketing idea. I bet no one asked him to do start taking to men about their periods in his last job.

He will be off back to the safety of menswear in no time!

SerenityNowwwww · 18/06/2020 15:00

I think I may have said something along those lines. Blush (nah, not really).

I also suggested they needed to have a word with their compliance department as their complaints procedure was woeful.

Thisismytimetoshine · 18/06/2020 14:57

Their IT systems are clearly as shit as their marketing strategies.

SerenityNowwwww · 18/06/2020 14:55

In the system we use you just click a field on the database. That's it. I could train a chicken to do it.

Thisismytimetoshine · 18/06/2020 14:35

Closing an account isn't simple... Wow.

SerenityNowwwww · 18/06/2020 14:30

I closed my account this morning and it's still 'live'. The chatbot told me it wasn't simple and would take some time.

SerenityNowwwww · 18/06/2020 14:28

"The right to be forgotten appears in Recitals 65 and 66 and in Article 17 of the GDPR. It states, “The data subject shall have the right to obtain from the controller the erasure of personal data concerning him or her without undue delay and the controller shall have the obligation to erase personal data without undue delay” if one of a number of conditions applies. “Undue delay” is considered to be about a month. You must also take reasonable steps to verify the person requesting erasure is actually the data subject."

In case anyone needs it. Then wait until they send you some salesy email and have some fun.

acatcalledjohn · 18/06/2020 14:24

I got the same reply. I have now asked twice to have all my data removed from their systems and they have ignored me twice. I know they have a month, but at least acknowledge you are working on it.

Thanks for that meaningless reply. You must have missed the part where I asked you to close down my account and remove all data you hold on me, as per GDPR regulations, as you make no mention of this.

Given that this is the third time I have to ask (I appreciate ovaries are easy to ignore: story of my life as the owner of a set) I just thought I’d remind you of the legal deadline to action this request by, which is close of business on the 11th of July 2020. This is based on my original request having been submitted on the 11th of June 2020 at 5pm BST.

huuskymam · 18/06/2020 13:18

Anyone else sick to death of been referred to as a menstrator.

SerenityNowwwww · 18/06/2020 13:09

A teensy minority in fact. The number of trans men versus trans women is minute (which considering the number of girls attending gender clinics is interesting). And how many of these appear to disbelieve biology? I see more male-bodied persons debating their 'periods' and if 'this is the month!!!'.

justforthecake · 18/06/2020 13:07

The reason they want to use the word menstruater is simple

They want the world to accept that trans men=men and transwoman=woman, that you can and do change your sex because you want to.

They therefore do not like the simple fact that only women have the necessary biological parts to enable menstruation.

I don't menstruate as my womb is gone but I am still a woman, a transwoman May or may not menstruate but men and trans women will never ever menstruate.

But if trans women=women then companies and others that want to prove their whole credentials call women menstruators so they don't get accused of offending the tra lobby. Women's views and opinions don't matter only the women views matter.
Back in the real world people generally think all this is stupid word snobbery.

I find it offensive that 50% of the population are being slighted to appease a very small vocal lobby.

YourVagesty · 18/06/2020 12:38

I've had no reply.

They must have thousands to work through, given their reply rate?!

MrBennsshop · 18/06/2020 12:15

@merrymouse

I got the same short response. I think they have had a lot of complaints and they don't really know what to do.
Me too. As a business, they seem to have been on the edge for years with their multiple discounts and permanent sales. As a company, I don't think they have a USP any more, their ethical credentials are long gone and many of their products are dated. Plenty of other, better place to buy from. So Body Shop, no more blusher, high SPF facial sunscreen or shampoo purchases from me.
Thisismytimetoshine · 18/06/2020 12:09

Haha! The fucking idiots can't even cobble together a party line that sorts remotely sane. Fingers in the ears instead 🤦‍♀️

SerenityNowwwww · 18/06/2020 12:07

The chat switched off early last night too. Their ops haven't got a clue what they are saying.

merrymouse · 18/06/2020 12:04

I got the same short response. I think they have had a lot of complaints and they don't really know what to do.

SerenityNowwwww · 18/06/2020 12:00

@mamapants

I got a very short response :

Hello, and thank you for getting in touch with us.
We welcome hearing different points of view and your comments have been heard and noted by us.
From all of us at The Body Shop

They only listen to gushing tweets or men. Take your pick.
SerenityNowwwww · 18/06/2020 12:00

They appear not to have a complaints procedure (just send an email to - genericemail@...).

Now I worked in the city and we had to have written complaints procedure to hand out to anyone who asked for it. Is this not the same for other industries?

mamapants · 18/06/2020 11:58

I got a very short response :

Hello, and thank you for getting in touch with us.
We welcome hearing different points of view and your comments have been heard and noted by us.
From all of us at The Body Shop

GCGayDad · 18/06/2020 11:57

Superb response Finnmcool. And it is very articulate. Great stuff.

SerenityNowwwww · 18/06/2020 11:53

They arent at HQ are they though - some call centre somewhere abroad I assume.

Anyone seen the petition? I can't say what or where can I? A petition site you often see.