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Reply from the Body Shop re JKR... just so dreadful...

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onlywomennotmen · 15/06/2020 17:34

Apparently men menstruate too...

^Hello, and thank you for getting in touch with us about our recent tweet to JK Rowling. We wanted to respond to everyone who has reached out to us to clarify our position on this issue.

We are longstanding supporters of the rights of women and girls on issues which affect them and believe it is important to keep having conversations around difficult topics such as this. Every person has the right to live their life free from the fear of violence, especially gender-based violence. The Body Shop has been an active campaigner on this issue since 1994.

The Body Shop’s position on menstruation in relation to trans and non-binary people is that we stand with ALL menstruators. People have periods – women, men and non-binary people. And plenty of women don’t. We value learning from everyone’s experience and we believe the conversation needs to go forwards, not backwards.

We disagree with JK Rowling’s view and wanted to demonstrate our support for trans and non-binary people. We understand why addressing the tweet to JK Rowling’s personal account has been interpreted as an attack on her as an individual, and as a domestic abuse survivor. That was absolutely not our intention. We didn’t get the tone right on this one and we do want to engage respectfully and constructively on these important issues.

We believe it is important to keep having conversations around difficult topics such as this, and doing so constructively. We recognise that our engagement with JK Rowling on this occasion wasn’t as constructive as we would like to be. We all need to educate ourselves, be inclusive and stand together so that we can end the shame and stigma around periods for all menstruators and stand up for what is right in our society.

We stand by our position on the rights of trans and non-binary people, and we will learn from this execution to ensure our communication is stronger and more constructive in the future.

We hope this helps you understand our position. We appreciated hearing yours.^

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MoltenLasagne · 15/06/2020 19:53

I find it amusing that TBS think that "people" menstruate but only men shave. Perhaps they need to warn Gillette that their (absurdly gendered) line of women's razors has no customer base.

StandUpStraight · 15/06/2020 19:51

I emailed the CEO when the tweet came out. Thanks for the advance notice of the shit canned reply I will be getting, so that I can draft my next email.
Menstruators, FFS. Men menstruate! How many impossible things will we be asked to believe before breakfast tomorrow? But what can you expect when the UN tweets in support of “People Who Menstruate”. (That was today. From their UN_Women account. Tweet seems to have disappeared now though.)

onlywomennotmen · 15/06/2020 19:44

I emailed:

[email protected]

... but guessing we will all get the same reply.

I really feel we have lost the battle and lost a generation or two to this crap.

My hope is that the they get called out by their younger sisters.

My five year old daughter asked me two days ago if boys could do everything that girls do and girls could do everything that boys do.

I answered 'almost' and she laughed and replied 'girls can do everything... but they can't just grow a willy!'

If a 5 year old can get it (and we have never talked about trans issues with or in front of her) why can't everyone else?

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DrDavidBanner · 15/06/2020 19:44

Any man who starts bleeding from his genitalia needs to get himself to A&E ASAP!!

ArriettyJones · 15/06/2020 19:44

@DickKerrLadies

It's all a bit like they're saying "OMG, did you hear that some women can have medical problems that affect their menstrual cycle and therefore not all women menstruate" and everyone else going, yeah we knew that years ago, what's your fucking point?
This.
xsquared · 15/06/2020 19:43

AIBU to think you should write to the Body Shop's CEO about their transphobia? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3938995-AIBU-to-think-you-should-write-to-the-Body-Shops-CEO-about-their-transphobia

So who are the Body Shop referring to then when they have products for men?

It looks like an own goal from here.

PurpleGhost · 15/06/2020 19:42

@SunshineCake You're not missing anything, it just all seems so bonkers that you can't actually believe what you're reading Grin

DeRigueurMortis · 15/06/2020 19:41

Yep David is getting an email from me tonight also....

TheSingingKettle49 · 15/06/2020 19:41

I’ve just told DH that according to The Body Shop men can menstruate and he’s a bit worried now because he hasn’t had his period, do they sell pregnancy tests for prostate havers? He doesn’t want one in a pink box though, grey and orange packaging please so he won’t be triggered.

Fandoozle1 · 15/06/2020 19:40

Well the Body Shop can fuck right off.

rarathenoisylioness · 15/06/2020 19:39

I've emailed David with my views!

DeRigueurMortis · 15/06/2020 19:39

AIBU to think you should write to the Body Shop's CEO about their transphobia? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3938995-AIBU-to-think-you-should-write-to-the-Body-Shops-CEO-about-their-transphobia

xsquared · 15/06/2020 19:36

Hang on, so men menstruate? How do biology teachers cope with having to explain the FEMALE reproductive system in lessons without being accused of transphobia? Or that some women have penises too?

LadyMonicaBaddingham · 15/06/2020 19:35

No more Body Shop either then. I'll add them to the lengthening list...

Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel · 15/06/2020 19:34

Oh it's the the exact same email as I received for complaining about exact same email about all menstruators Hmm

Fucking twats the lot of them.

Abbccc · 15/06/2020 19:33

@CloudyVanilla

They're not saying men menstruate.
People have periods – women, men and non-binary people.
SunshineCake · 15/06/2020 19:32

I'm so confused by it all. I have read JKR post. I have read stuff on here. Still feel like I must be missing something.

CloudyVanilla · 15/06/2020 19:28

There's a kindness around accepting that not all of those women wish to call themselves women, but equally there's major rudeness and dehumanisation to women in declaring that we now have to refer to women by body functions in some insane attempt to protect a tiny proportion of the population from possibly offensive reality. I am not a 'menstruator' or a 'lactator', stop reducing me to body parts.

This expresses really well what I mean.

Michelleoftheresistance · 15/06/2020 19:28

I've had this conversation once today Cloudy , there's a problem with ejaculators because there will inevitably be some dreadfully distressed and offended soul who wants to demand are they not men then because they have ejaculation issues or a low sperm count. Once you start down this road of hair splitting and pandering there is no end to it, the spiral disappears up its own offended bottom.

I suggested wankers as an alternative, but I wasn't being entirely serious at the time.

It would be nice if all these 'use inclusive language' types actually gave a shit about including females already struggling with equality of access to resources, who don't speak English as their first language, or have a disability, who will be unable to make sense of 'menstruators' and 'cervix havers' and be further distanced from equality to health care. Largely because of some very vocal, very privileged people virtue signalling how very very inclusive they are.

Thisismytimetoshine · 15/06/2020 19:27

I think it's absolutely friggin gross and bass to refer to anybody as a menstruator. Perhaps it would be clearer if I talk about ejaculators when referring to men.
Or maybe just stop the fecking nonsense and stick with men and women. It usen't to confuse anybody.

2bazookas · 15/06/2020 19:26

Men menstruate? That's just your piles, pet.

Michelleoftheresistance · 15/06/2020 19:24

Everyone who has a body of the type that menstruates is a woman. Only women menstruate.

There's a kindness around accepting that not all of those women wish to call themselves women, but equally there's major rudeness and dehumanisation to women in declaring that we now have to refer to women by body functions in some insane attempt to protect a tiny proportion of the population from possibly offensive reality. I am not a 'menstruator' or a 'lactator', stop reducing me to body parts.

We could have women and others who menstruate. Except there will then be fits from males complaining that this suggests that they might not be equal women because they don't menstruate.

CloudyVanilla · 15/06/2020 19:22

Thanks for the science lesson re what a man is.

I'm just pointing out they are using backwards language and it's silly but they obviously not saying bio men are "menstruators"

I'm not saying I agree with the terminology they're using. I think it's absolutely friggin gross and bass to refer to anybody as a menstruator. Perhaps it would be clearer if I talk about ejaculators when referring to men.

Thisismytimetoshine · 15/06/2020 19:22

You need female biology to menstruate. What you like to call yourself in your battle against biology is irrelevant, really.
Some people mightn't see an issue with women being reduced to menstruators to bring all those who refuse to admit to having a sex at all but still need sanitary protection into the fold, but I'm not one of them.

GnomeOrMistAndIceGuy · 15/06/2020 19:22

So, by logical extension, men (those well-known menstruators) also have babies? Well, thank you Body Shop (BS for short). Thank you for teaching us what centuries of Science, academia, and learning has obviously failed to understand....
HONESTLY, what achingly woke, half-brained cretins write these emails and form these policies?