Men get their own loos - women's made unisex!

Bobbie

First an email went out to all staff, politely asking everybody to leave the toilets in a sanitary condition.

Then the women put a polite sign up reminding toilet users to be hygenic.

Finally, one of my wonderful and direct colleagues told the men's male manager.

Eventually nanagement listened to the women as a collective.

Re the door opening incident. The WOMAN felt embarrassed and walked straight out (yup, she was forced to leave and SHE felt awkward) and no shame or apology from the MAN.

We are conditioned to be polite and not make a fuss.

I'm glad you started this thread Miss Lawls, I live near there too and its put me off going shopping there. Their loos aren't the nicest at the best of times and their location means that people with bad intentions can take advantage easily.

My concern is that this will end up not being a temporary measure. I'm glad they're getting a lot of pushback in the local paper.

Why is it unsafe for transwomen to use the men's even though TW are male size and strength but unisex toilets are thought safe for smaller weaker women who may need to leave cubicle door open when they have children?

@HandsOffMyRights

I have to ask, when this happens, do any of them even look shame faced? When a manager has to come and say "because you wont stop pissing on the floor, and wont clean up after yourself, you are now banned from those toilets" do any of them actually look like the realise they've behaved badly?

Our 2 cubicled female work toilets were made mixed sex to accommodate male colleagues who'd previously been using the toilet in an adjacent building. Women were in the majority though in terms of staff numbers.

After a few weeks we found the toilets stank and we didn't want to use them. There were pools of piss on the floor and toilet brushes weren't used.

Worse, one of the men was having a wee with the cubicle door ajar.

We complained and the toilets were made female again and the males reverted back to using the ones in the next building.

You've mistaken my point Jelly . My point was I don't and the men of my acquaintance don't want random women to see them hence men's toilets being protected spaces. But that same respect is not accorded to us.

I don't understand why the urinals mean women can't go in. Is it because we might catch sight of a penis and faint with shock?

Exhibitionism an entirely unknown trait in the male population - some of whom would get a particular kick at any glimpses beinng had.

And, no, I don't want to see random penises - the question is , why do you ?

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They did this at a theatre I went to before lockdown - at a theatre where the interval queues for the womens' ones are always huge and the mens' tiny ( which is why one sometimes has to risk it, with the aid of a lookout)

And yes my anger was definitely at the service station!

Thats a very fair point actually bobbie

And im usually quite good with the ‘people have hidden disabilities’ so i really should have thought of that

Luckily i was so gob smacked that i didnt say anything to him

I don't understand why the urinals mean women can't go in. Is it because we might catch sight of a penis and faint with shock? If so why do we have to lose women's toilets and endure unisex ? Or is it because it would upset the men? If so why doesn't the fact that unisex upsets women matter Or is it because women are vulnerable to male violence? In which case again why are unisex OK.

*or whatever

@RufustheRowlingReindeer

He could very well have been disabled, had a stoma bag for whatever. Men are very much allowed to use disabled toilets when available and if they need them.

Your anger should be with the service station for providing men with their own, but making women, disabled and baby change share.

My kids used to belong to the local swimming club, mixed chamging but individual cubicles.

I was shocked when we got the letter from the pastoral coach explaining that there had been incidents of cameras being put under girls lockers and to be aware 😔.

And this was just within a local swimming pool. It absolutely happens.

The unfairness incenses me to be honest

I was in a m and s service station, one cubicle for women, baby change and disabled

The gents must have had one cubicle and numerous urinals

I was third in the queue, while i was there at least 15 men went in and out of the gents

Door opened and a suited and booted man walked out, i was So gob smacked that all i could say was ‘is he taking the piss’

You wanna make a loo unisex...crack on with the gents, leave the woman’s alone

(I appreciate that the cockwomble in the ladies was just an ignorant fuck wit, but they don’t need fucking encouraging)

So pleased disabled provision was sorted out before this all kicked off. Otherwise it would have been a really shit time to be less able.

I honestly think online spaces that have been infiltrated by TRAs are mostly a lost cause. I used to be in one too, after it got taken over all the interesting women left and now it's just angry people shouting about gender identity and bad GIFs.

I got into a massive FB fight about this yesterday, it all started with the OP of the FB post mansplaining CIS, and trying to teach XX women that they're CIS. I was repeatedly told that nothing was being taken away from me, it's all in my head, I'm abhorant for not wanting to share, TWAW. It left me in a really bad place. I can't believe their are so many women ready to accept this claptrap AND fight with other women about it, in the nastiest way possible. They quoted links for PinkNews to educate ME on MY bigotry. The pile-on got worse and worse until I deleted everything and left the group, it had been intercepted my a trans warrior with the purpose of sharing a petition to NOT redo the consultation on the GRA, after the first one got hijacked. I bit at CIS, and ended up fighting with pigs, getting dirty, and they loved it. I despair.

Re unisex loos at work, I've heard of multiple cases where they were implemented and people just kept using the loos they always had in terms of which was the men's and which was the women's, so the only difference was in the signs. Most people really don't like unisex facilities.

I think you've forgotten about how much men like planting hidden cameras to catch footage of women pissing. Awfully easy to do that in a lockable cubicle that everyone can use.

*could use

Well no, I quite agree. I was sort of trying to avoid the phrase 'people with penises' - 1. Because they couldnsue the single lockable loos, and 2. Because if you don't designate them to a specific sex/gender the TRAs can't start a fight about it. Basically my point is use a urinal if you wish. If you don't 'wish' to, then individual lockable cubicles with full individual facilities and no gaps top and bottom would mean they are suitable for whoever. Nowhere is gender/sex mentioned, no fight needed, everyone is ok with it.

There is always someone who says they have unisex loos at work and it is fine.

It is very different using a unisex loo where you will only be sharing with colleagues (whether in an office, factory, warehouse or in a staff only area of a shop). There is a huge incentive for men to follow basic levels of behaviour at work and there are consequences if they don't. They are also identifiable and traceable.

It is totally different to a shopping centre, bar, night club or train station.

I am not saying that mixed loos are ok in the workplace but I think the risks are much less than with public toilets.

The one toilet for men and one for everyone thing was what peaked my not at all feminist stepmother. She went off on a "why don't men have to share theirs?" rant. In that case it was in a bar so literally two rooms with a toilet and a sink each, but one was labelled "men" and the other "unisex", and the "unisex" one had the walls plastered in soft core porn.

It really is TRAs who create "T*RFS", mostly by making such a fucking nuisance of themselves.

(Again, tired, all out of have enough energy to be polite fucks.)