Labour 'stands back' from transgender war

They did what they thought was politically expedient at the time.

Then the red wall crumbled.

I know...
I'm going to hold out hope though.
FWIW I never thought that about Corbyn - he's so painfully woke he doesn't know what he thinks. Corbyn is a classic wokebro from a priveleged background - Starmer less so.

Many thought that the previous Labour leadership were secretly GC, until Corbyn announced his pronouns and O'Donnell did a MN chat and responded to women's concerns with the TWAW mantra.

It does say something about the viciousness of the Twitter flying monkeys that people who're fine facing a barrage of hostile question in the House of Commons turn tail and run when confronted by the Twitter rage machine.

BovaryX

I've just used this comment from you on another thread, hope you don't mind:

MPs who are petrified of challenging a Twitter mob are unfit to represent anyone. They are unfit to be in any position of power.

I did admit it was an assumption - and yes I'm sure he has patriarchy-brain. But there are still men who are GC despite having the patriarchy imbued in them all their lives.

It's a mistake to assume that Starmer is doing/not doing X because he is clever. [...] He could be a fervent genderist for all we know.

It's a pretty fair bet that he's got patriarchy-brain, regardless of how clever he is.

An inbuilt cognitive bias in favour of men is pretty standard in our culture; there's no evidence to suggest KS is immune from it.

KS put his name to a statement saying precisely that. Plus stated it in an interview with Pink News at the same time, just before the Labour Leadership elections. As well as stating his support for Self ID.
He is not an ally to GC women

That is the uncomfortable truth.

It's a mistake to assume that Starmer is doing/not doing X because he is clever. It's also possible that he doesn't give enough of a fuck to actually look into these issues, and he'll just defer to female colleagues like Lisa let's-put-rapists-in-women's-prisons Nandy. All these assumptions about his understanding of the situation are just that - assumptions. He could be a fervent genderist for all we know.

Labour is riddled with misogyny, in particular at local level, I suspect it's one of the reasons the trans agenda took hold so firmly.

Joe Anderson's (Liverpool mayor) behaviour to women who raised concerns about the loss of single sex spaces was the final nail for me

mobile.twitter.com/LiverpoolReSis1/status/1272223455069515778

Labour needs to do more than stand back before I vote for them again

Fair enough Mama I was referring to their most recent stance with him as leader, as raised in the OP - but yes he has done that previously.

Also, given that Amnesty also came out in support of the sex industry they've lost most of their credibility at this point, so my only reaction to their wading in is a massive eyeroll. Clean up your own house before meddling in someone else's, Amnesty.

It's a start, but there's a lot of mistrust that's built up among women that will need to be addressed before the ones who abandoned Labour over this issue consider going back. Also, what are they going to do about all the other issues that turned off Red Wall voters, like parachuting clueless non-local woke kids into what should have been safe Labour seats and thus rendering them no longer safe Labour seat for the first time in decades? Don't get me wrong, I'll be thrilled to see Labour drop it's support for TRA nonsense if that's really happening, but the rot goes deeper than just that.

The thing is though by simply not bleating TWAW from the rooftops, and conspicuously holding back from full commitment, Starmer is IMO sending us a potentially pro-GC signal
KS put his name to a statement saying precisely that. Plus stated it in an interview with Pink News at the same time, just before the Labour Leadership elections. As well as stating his support for Self ID.
He is not an ally to GC women

However, the world is waking up. I consider this promising

Likewise. Long way to go but it’s a start.

Oi Sadiq fixed your statement for you:

Women deserve the safety and dignity of being recognised as their sex.

Any possibility if you standing by and for women, the adult human females ones? Nah, didn't think so you're just another misogynistic bloke ignoring the needs of women whilst you tell them what they must do and accept.

Glad you got one of the single-sex units Tyro — the atmosphere must be quite different.

I wish I could take the credit for it, RoyalCorgi, but I'm pretty sure I picked it up from someone else around here.

It is an excellent word.

I was bloody lucky when I got sectioned - the place I ended up was all women, one of whom didn't identify as a woman. Some of the staff were male though, which was very problematic for at least one of the women there.

We've got so used to Johnson and Corbyn doubling down on divisive issues we've forgotten what appealing to the middle ground looks like.

Once upon a time, there was a mantra that political parties won from the centre ground. So Blair moved labour to the right and Cameron moved the Tories to the left. It is why the Tories introduced gay marriage. A sap to liberals knowing their own right wing had no other political home. To an extent it was repeated over Brexit as right wing remainers wouldn't vote for Corbin.

If Starmer is looking to win next time around, he needs to get the core vote back and attract Tories and Lib Dem's. The maths for that don't favour the TWAW position.

Labour: take the needs of women in prison, in rape crisis centres, in locked psychiatric wards, trying to make a living from women's sports (or indeed - witness the current GMB fiasco - trying to make any sort of living at all), take the safeguarding of children seriously rather that pushing off-label prostate cancer drugs at them

People seem to be under the impression that locked psychiatric wards have been single-sex at some point… with exceptions for specialist units, they're not, and haven't been for decades. In more recent years, they claim to require psych wards to have "single sex accommodation" — what this actually means is that men's and women's sleeping areas have to be in different parts of the ward, that you don't have to walk past opposite-sex bedrooms to get to an appropriate toilet, and that there's a women's lounge (which, in the last ward I was on, you did have to walk past the men's bedrooms to get to — well away from the busy central part of the ward, down a long, corridor, with the lights rarely turned on in the lounge because no women ever went in there for obvious reasons, and plenty of parts of it not visible from the doorway) in addition to the main day room.

Hence all the sexual assaults (and not just from other patients).

All women plus the odd transwoman would actually be a dramatic improvement.

As an actual female woman of the becunted variety,

Just wanted to say how much I enjoy the word "becunted" and I intend using it at every possible opportunity.

(Not that I'm trying to cling onto Labour as "my" party - those days are long gone...)

The thing is though by simply not bleating TWAW from the rooftops, and conspicuously holding back from full commitment, Starmer is IMO sending us a potentially pro-GC signal. It's very easy to go with the woke flow because there is no downside to that, and there will be a lot of pressure on him to do that - and he didn't.

I know it's depressing that he's not doing more, but I still see it as a good sign.

Sorry - in that case I probably agree with you MaMa
In fairness I don't hold Starmer responsible for the way the party has treated the concerns of GC women up until now. But he's the leader now and it's his job to sort it out. And it's no good the party asking for my patience or goodwill as it's all used up.