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NASUWT 'Trans Equality in Schools'

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ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 14/06/2020 13:53

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1272131652253294594.html

Good thread about the influence of tra within schools.

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ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 15/06/2020 10:43

I don't know if they've changed their minds, so much as force a distinction between sex and gender, where sex is female, and gender is woman. Therefore, they can support the idea that females have sex based rights, but in practice most situations, women (including TW) have gender based rights, too.

So staff toilets are a gender based right, and asking for a female hcp is a sex based right?

This is speculation of course, and the distinction seems to be entirely based on the transperson informing the guidance.

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dragoncheeselady · 14/06/2020 20:24

As far as I can tell, the person who wrote the guidance this thread discusses states things that imply they have changed their mind but as done nothing to reverse that guidance.
I would have also expected them, if they are truly an ally, to be pointing the press towards the women and women's groups this effects rather than using it as a platform for themself.

TinselAngel · 14/06/2020 17:59

That question has been asked many times, but never so far answered.

LumpySpacedPrincess · 14/06/2020 17:37

So has Hayton changed their mind on this? Their posts seem pro women?

TinselAngel · 14/06/2020 17:32

Most of the trans lobby groups have made particular efforts to target schools and children,

Indeed they have, but they don't then claim to be allies of gender critical feminist as in this case.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 14/06/2020 17:21

Most of the trans lobby groups have made particular efforts to target schools and children, enabled by the useful idiots in unions. The NAHT (Headteachers) has some very toxic guidance (now hidden) and Transgender Trend has done some great investigatory work into Stonewall's overreach and the safeguarding breaching of some of the Proud Trust's activities:
www.transgendertrend.com/stonewall-autism-stonewall-schools-guidance/
www.transgendertrend.com/proud-trust-nothing-proud/

Hopefully today's policy leak will increase the number of schools and LAs having to review and withdraw policies like the NAS / UWT's that illegally remove legal same sex provision for children and undermine safeguarding.

VickyEadieofThigh · 14/06/2020 17:09

That's an eye-opener and no mistake.

It's also yet more evidence of how easy it is for activists to use woke fear of denunciation to pursue goals which go well beyond simple 'policy and practice' and even further beyond the actual law.

There are safeguarding red flags all over this - and the author of the original 'guidance' speaks regularly about their knowledge of 'safeguarding'...

OvaHere · 14/06/2020 16:41

@TinselAngel

Great to see this thread from the wonderful *@ThatDoctorEM*

This guidance has been discussed a lot in FWR and elsewhere.

I hope it will provoke some clarity as to what extent a feminist "ally" was involved in drafting guidance which amongst other things, says teachers who cross dress part time should be able to use the women's toilets at staff parties.

What really struck me about this was the concept of 'dual role' people which goes far beyond what the existing law states or even the purpose of the GRA.

As Dr EM points out it really is just expanding the law to fit your desires. I find it quite shocking this is still in circulation within education.

There seems to be no consideration around the issue of consent for staff or pupils.

OvaHere · 14/06/2020 16:13

Very good thread.

I agree it brings clarity to issue of influence in schools and raises questions about the goals of 'allies' and why they might not be the same goals that we have.

TinselAngel · 14/06/2020 14:15

Great to see this thread from the wonderful @ThatDoctorEM

This guidance has been discussed a lot in FWR and elsewhere.

I hope it will provoke some clarity as to what extent a feminist "ally" was involved in drafting guidance which amongst other things, says teachers who cross dress part time should be able to use the women's toilets at staff parties.

Melroses · 14/06/2020 13:58

I saw that - the recommended resources are all too familiar.