Peak TERF

Here's what I don't understand, though - you can read that post about Trump and think that the person supporting him has gone way too far, doesn't see the consequences of their position, is actually anti-feminist - however you want to put it. You disagree profoundly with them.

How does disagreeing with one extremist on the GC side lead someone to think 'actually, humans can change sex'?

The TRA narrative also changes in a daily bloody basis

There has been a spike in stories about people supposedly 'escaping the GC cult'. Most of those people are either trans (so naturally aligned with trans ideology) or seem to have fallen out with individual feminists.

Of course not and it's extreme (though not the only extreme view I've seen on this site) and it damages the arguments of people on this site with legitimate concerns in the same way that the posting of extreme TRAs damage the point of just ordinary trans people. And it has the potential to create a peak moment.

In the same way as dismissing everyone who isn't anti trans as bandwagon jumping or incapable of independent thought.
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In the UK trans people already have the same rights and protections as everyone else.

If the TRA narrative is valid, 'peak TF' should be happening at an equal rate as 'peak trans'? Right?

If the TRA narrative is valid, being gender critical is just like being racist or homophobic, and as soon as people are 'educated', they should go from GC to TRA. So we should expect far greater numbers of people to go in that direction. Of course, they don't, because it's the TRA position which is based on homophobia and sexism.

That’s definitely not a radical feminist position though!

It was in specific reference to Trump, so along the lines of they'd happily vote for him knowing he'd do both things. It kind of got lost in an argument about something else.

but if the TRA arguments are valid, as many in the mainstream and social media insist, then there must be arguments that would help you/us see "the light" and understand their POV.

But that's the rub isn't it? TRA arguments are not valid, not even rational so there's no other 'light' to see.

Those who support TRAs do so for a variety of reasons - but rarely logic. It’s more usually tribal - I’m a leftie or I’m an inclusive person or I’m countercultural so I must be in favour of the TRA demands

Others are motivated by a generalised dislike of women or feminism. I’m sorry to say Matthew Parris seems to be one of these. He disagrees with JKR but can’t say which bit she’s wrong about. And thinks she should just hush up and put up with the death threats.

Others believe the false stats about suicide etc. Although even if they were true they still wouldn’t be evidence against the existence of women as a biological fact.

Some believe sex is a spectrum or that biological sex doesn’t exist. They have nothing to base this on barring a fundamental misunderstanding of intersex conditions.

Yes. There was a Donald Trump post a couple of weeks ago where someone argued that rolling back abortion rights including banning treatment for ectopic pregnancy (which would mean for every 100 live births 1-2 women would die needlessly and in agony) was worth it for increased protection against trans rights.

www.mumsnet.com/info/trans-rights-moderation-policy

There are people that have decided they aren’t in step with the full set of rad fem beliefs (ie Posie) or fallen out with some of the notable individual feminists (ie Amy) but I don’t know any that have changed their mind on the crux of the GC position which is that humans cannot change sex.

Unsurprisingly, because humans cannot change sex

Agree that you might not get away with the language. But no - pretty much no one goes from a position of scepticism to full on TWAW. Because once you start thinking critically you can’t unsee the flaws in the argument. In fact there are no flaws in the argument because there isn’t an argument - there are only slogans backed up with threats and insults.

If you mean in terms of abandoning the gender critical point of view, then, no, I don't think I'll ever drop my opposition to an ideology that puts children on a medical pathway leading to sterilisation and a lifetime of medical interventions.

I suspect you are going to need to rewrite this to make it Mumsnet rules compatible.