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Threats from transactivists in Ireland.

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irishfeminist · 14/06/2020 09:37

Just getting it out there that transactivists in Ireland have been making threats to any woman who has wanted to discuss the effect self-id is having on women's rights in Ireland. If anyone Irish is reading, you need to be aware. If you support these people, you need to know what you're supporting, and if not, you need to be aware of the threats that are being made. One of these people works for TENI and has spoken at a National Council for Women in Ireland conference.

Threats from transactivists in Ireland.
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bettybeans · 15/06/2020 01:58

I am so sorry, Estelle. The distress of being caught up in something like this is so very real and all-consuming. They're like a pack of jackals and there's so very few people willing to call them out for it. I don't know how we got to the point where anybody thinks this type of behaviour is an acceptable response to a difference in opinion. It's a disgrace and these people are cowards. Much strength to you.

EstelleBirdy · 15/06/2020 01:51

I can’t offer any advice on what to do next. I just know that after this experience I am even more determined that speaking out when something is unjust or threatening or just plain wrong, is not only a good thing but a wholly necessary thing. Our society is getting sicker and sicker and the lack of care for others is unremitting. Only by standing up for the truth and against violence and injustice can we bring about some kind of decent way of living for us all. I’m so tired now. It’s been such a twenty four hours! My life hasn’t been so turned upside down since having my first baby a million light years ago.

7Days · 15/06/2020 01:48

My mistake.

Not everyone is scared of social media.
There is a section which believes it is totally under their control.

I don't know if they are very very clever, and know something we dont, or if they are very very stupid and dont know that attitudes change but published words remain forever.

7Days · 15/06/2020 01:44

I totally see your point foreverfaithless. It is scary. That's the point.

The crux is, no one wants to rain this down on their heads. We all know the truth. But Individuals, workplaces, institutions are scared of sm, and the way it is bleeding over into rl at an accelerating pace. But the longer we leave it, the worse it will get.

What can we do? What's next?

ForeverFaithless · 15/06/2020 01:16

notyourhandmaid I am far more angry than my sparse posts here show, but I'm a single mum to young DC working for a 'super woke' company.

I tread carefully, for now, but very willing to be of use/help if possible.

notyourhandmaid · 15/06/2020 01:09

This is sickening & infuriating stuff. These are fucking headcases, they're bullies, they're vicious, they're gaslighting...

And the American TRAs that jump into these pile-ons can go to hell. Ireland is a country that brought in gender self-ID before deciding it was maybe acceptable to vote on whether women were people or incubators. The fucking self-righteous disgustingness of telling women that their rights have never been 'up for debate' in that context, like.

(little bit annoyed here, probably doesn't show)

ForeverFaithless · 15/06/2020 00:59

7Days I remember all too well when I 'belonged' to that cult, impossible to erase.

EstelleBirdy · 15/06/2020 00:53

Yes we do Stella. I really appreciate your support and that of all the women on here. This is horrible and frightening but the fact that there are people out there acting in solidarity is heartening. Truly, you’ve all made this so much better. Just to know that there are people out there who see this for what it is makes all the difference. There are so many petite out there who want to stand up and say that threats and harassment like this is unacceptable but they’re afraid that they’ll be next. When we are many and our hearts are in he right place, when it’s coming from
a place of love and a desire for protection of women from
misogyny and harassment, we can get through this.

7Days · 15/06/2020 00:52

irishfeminist

I have said it before on this site

Thank goodness the days are gone when men in dresses get to tell Mna na hEireann what to think our bodies, what they are for, and why they are wrong

7Days · 15/06/2020 00:50

This is sickening.
I've had my own mini ding dong, this week, nothing near as bad.

But worrying if someone decides to connect my name to my employer- quite easy to do.

Funny enough, some employers can discipline a person for speaking facts, other employers kick back about actual threats and abusive behaviour. It's a real head scratcher.

So sorry Estelle, I hope you have someone around at home to mind you, and keep away from sm for a while

irishfeminist · 15/06/2020 00:41

Oncewas

Yes that person asked one of the Repeal people to do it. She boasted about it at length on Twitter. Quite the optics isn't it? After shaking off theocracy and men telling us what to do.

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EstelleBirdy · 15/06/2020 00:38

Funnily enough, a few years ago, I had another pile on on my FB page because I posted about the protest against the attacks on Gaza. A whole load of bots and well-trained loons, mostly American, piled on and knocked my ratings. Happily, a whole posse came on and reversed their work but this time it’ll be different. I don’t even know how I access that page myself anymore. It was attached to my old FB account, since permanently deleted.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 15/06/2020 00:34

StellaOMalley

Love your work.
Anything that can be done? They are going way too far.

Snugglepumpkin · 15/06/2020 00:33

@EstelleBirdy

I reported the bad ratings on your business page on Facebook that referred to transphobia, although I might have missed a couple.
They had nothing to do with your actual business & just so happened to have turned up very recently.

I really don't understand why these people are so petty & nasty.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 15/06/2020 00:33

This is disgraceful.

StellaOMalley · 15/06/2020 00:24

Solidarity Estelle. Us Stells have to stick together. It's good to see
the Irish sisterhood in this thread

irishfeminist · 15/06/2020 00:21

Estelle can't post images as she just registered so she asked me to post these latest threats and incitement to harassment. Bear in mind that this person works for the Irish equivalent of Mermaids, a publicly funded organisation advising government bodies, state departments and educational institutions. MNHQ removed images at poster's request

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Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 15/06/2020 00:19

Irishfeminist

Did they organise that letter?I had a look at their profile, they don't seem to like women very much.

ForeverFaithless · 15/06/2020 00:10

Estelle Flowers

Also in Ireland, let me know if I can help in any way.

irishfeminist · 14/06/2020 23:51

Yes, dirtycitybird has a long history of targeting female spaces, and no platforming anyone who dissents. Only a few years in Ireland but managed to dictate a letter ordering "UK Terfs" not to come over and get hundreds of women to sign it. H** timeline is a charmless volcano of rage and self pity, I'm baffled at the appeal myself, but Ireland is a tiny place - a handful of people can successfully influence policy if they're determined.

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Apileofballyhoo · 14/06/2020 23:28

Estelle I'm so sorry. The person behind that citybird account seems unwell.

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 14/06/2020 23:10

Solidarity, Estelle 💐

RuffleCrow · 14/06/2020 23:06

This is horrendous harassment @EstelleBirdy. Please take all the evidence you have to the police. I'm so angry on your behalf. No-one should have to live like this.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 14/06/2020 23:01

WhatTiggers

Great Idea, I would buy a yoga course too.

WhatTiggersDoBest · 14/06/2020 22:54

@EstelleBirdy I am so, so sorry this has happened to you. This week has been an eye opener for me, too. I'm in shock at how nasty these people are being both to you and JKR. I'm in the North of Ireland, we are hoping to move to Wexford once the lockdown lifts enough for us to view houses, and I'm completely horrified at this small but vocal minority. Is there some way we can all support you? Do you do yoga classes online at the moment? I will buy a course of yoga lessons.

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