Threats from transactivists in Ireland.

Sorry I didn't want to start a new thread but, does anyone know if this is a viable threat? Surely it's inciting people to harm others?

1984 was the year when women were supposed to get equality in unemployment payments. But married women continued to be paid for a shorter period than men, and not to get payments for dependents. Ann Cotter and Norah McDermott sued the State and eventually won. But the Irish government refused to pay the rest of us. So we had to engage lawyers and give them a chunk of our money.

All 3 major political parties (FF, FG and Labour) took part in this trampling on women's rights. It's no wonder they're delighted to help the trans to bury our rights.

I see Sinead O'Carroll not only made it clear she stands firmly with the TRAs' has retweeted Aoife Martin's rubbishy piece a few times, but has not bothered to condemn the abuse JK got or the Sun article. Delightful.

Even better, Kantastic they said "no" then linked to Magdalen Bern's video!

That Facebook thread is pretty good. Even the people tilting dangerously wokewards aren't having Radcliffe's nonsense.

Someone promoting the egregious misogynist "Contrapoints" - Does anyone want to learn about trans rights from an actual trans woman who makes detailed video essays on Youtube discussing the exact arguments JK Rowling, and others have been making? Good. You can't rely on internet arguments for information [!] go away, listen to people talk it out, and come back better informed.

Someone in response: no

Speaking as an Irish woman i can tell you people have no idea what's going on.

Fair play to you @EstelleBirdy! I hope you're keeping well, you've maintained great strength and dignity in the face of incredible vitriol. They're panicking now and attacking calm, reasonable people who other calm, reasonable people will listen to.

Have to say I was genuinely surprised reading the responses on this thread ... www.facebook.com/101359523241016/posts/3246807922029478/?d=n ... I wonder if people actually realise what is going on in Ireland ...

EstelleBirdy I cant imagine how stressful this is, if there's anything women on MN can do to help please just ask

Please stay brave.

That’s an important quote there about things not being able to survive in the sunlight. More sunlight required.

I am in Ireland. All this terrifies me. I posted JK Rowling's essay on my Facebook page and have been genuinely worried since that someone will report me to my employer. I work for a super-woke multinational. I've wondered if I should delete it but haven't so far.

It's just fucking ridiculous that I should even have to worry about it.

I'm going to echo Pachy's thanks Oncewasblue.
I think I had read that linked from here previously ; but as it becomes more pertinent to one's own situation, it sticks more firmly in the mind.

Mr Kirkup has several astute observations on the Dentons report- and finalises by saying that:

"I’m going to conclude with an observation I’ve made here before, but which I think bears repeating in the context of [the Denton's] report and the things it might tell people about other aspects of the trans issue: no policy made in the shadows can survive in sunlight."

Oncewas thanks. There are two things in that Spectator article worth quoting in the Irish context.

First of all, the sneaking in of self-id under the goodwill of marriage equality legislation. The legislation was passed without any real public debate and most people to this day have no idea it happened.

*Tie your campaign to more popular reform.'

For example:

'In Ireland, Denmark and Norway, changes to the law on legal gender recognition were put through at the same time as other more popular reforms such as marriage equality legislation. This provided a veil of protection, particularly in Ireland, where marriage equality was strongly supported, but gender identity remained a more difficult issue to win public support for.'*

Secondly, transactivists avoid the news. They avoid discussion and scrutiny because they do not want to be asked hard questions and they know that most people will not be on board with girls and women being forced to share intimate spaces with men. They sneak around behind the scenes, they groom people involved in other causes, they do everything they can to avoid scrutiny.

'Another technique which has been used to great effect is the limitation of press coverage and exposure.

In Ireland, activists have directly lobbied individual politicians and tried to keep press coverage to a minimum in order to avoid this issue.'

We see you though.

With incredible timing, The Speakeasy Sessions in Skibbereen have just put up a video of a reading from my upcoming novel. Can’t believe how spongey I look on camera :( but since I bought myself a load of new bras after years, I think the next video will have me looking as pert as an 18 year old :). Anyway, obviously, I have no way of sharing this at the moment. So here it is. skibbereenspeakeasy.com/estelle-birdy-reads-for-speakeasy/

These people don’t even have the excuse of being young and naive. The one who’s going to ‘hammer’ women is middle-aged and this kind of thing is the preferred modus—infiltrate groups, build acolytes, then behave as you wish and the acolytes will follow. Just like a cult. No one wants to be the first person to say they see reality. That’s an uncomfortable place to be. It requires the person to admit that they were blind to and deliberately turned a blind eye to quite awful things. It requires the person to admit that they were fooled by what should have been obvious lies. That’s not easy to admit to yourself or anyone else. It’s a rotten situation, the whole thing.

(typo - "at the marches" not "and at the marches")

I remember the 90s pro-choice movement (although sadly it was only pro-the right to obtain information about overseas abortion providers -, no-one could have thought of repealing the Eighth Amendment in the 90s, it would not have passed). We hated SPUC (Society for the Protection of the Unborn Child for anyone who doesn't remember) - I remember our "SPUC OFF" and "Fuck SPUC" badges. We knew they were funded by American organisations and outranked us in political clout and wealth. There was shouting and hostility and at the marches. But at no point do I remember anyone on our side trying to get them sacked from their jobs or threatening real violence against them.

So young people should know that to behave in such a way towards someone who is your political opponent is not normal or civilised. The student union leaders who defied an injunction and carried on providing information about abortion faced actual prison. They were even told to pack a bag before the court hearing. And yet they did not call on their followers to punch anyone or terrify them or smash or hammer them. Women tend not to do that. You should pay attention.

Estelle, that's awful. I can't imagine how you're feeling right now but I am so, so angry at the men bullying you.

Please do post back about your online lessons here. And please make sure you've written into your contracts that people will be kicked off for poor behaviour and not given a refund.

Can you have a friend ready on the "kick them out" button if someone starts being disruptive?

Yes, pachy I cannot understand how any Irish person could allow themselves to be aligned with threats of physical violence.
Of all people, we should know where that leads.

It doesn't matter what the topic is, once someone responds to a point of view with threats of doxxing, physical violence, nasty personal attacks...really, you've lost the argument, because you dont have sufficient facts to back it up.

As for the on-line "pile-ons"- all that is really, is an indication that you feel so insecure in your opinions that you have to hide in a horde.

If only we had a James Kirkup, Oncewas. Instead our journalists seem capable only of rehashing press releases and writing rambly emotive columns. Stella's piece is a fine exception.

As ever, isn't it fascinating how their rage is directed at women rather than the men who are the ones who actually harm trans people? Instead of hoping that violent men are "terrified" and "smashed", it's women they want to attack.

I despair at the women who uncritically support these people and their methods. If they can't see what is right in front of them, I don't know how to help them.

Here is another lovely hammerer

OK, Hope you can get some sleep tonight after everything.

@Oncewasblueandyellowtwo. Thank you, I won’t be doing my proper online classes for a couple of weeks but there’s no need to be buying classes. Sincerely, the support here today has been a gift. I can’t thank you enough.

7days

You have probably read this before, it is about the tactics of trans activists, an eye opener.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists

So kind of you. I won’t be starting my official classes online for a couple of weeks but please don’t feel under any obligation. Just having your solidarity is enough. Thank you.