Threats from transactivists in Ireland.

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Though our school is very sensible and compassionate and not easily swayed by whatever the latest big thing is

I would have said the same thing about one of my DC's school.
And yet, during Pride last year, there was a talk by a transgender woman (all-boys school). No talk by a gay man. No counterbalancing talk from a XX woman.

Have they? That's interesting. I would be interested to find out what is contained in their materials and school guidance packs etc.

Specially when you consider the only gender clinic in Ireland in Crumlin is run by the London Tavistock, and the worrying reports coming from them. I don't think any school would like to throw in their lot just as the problems witg the ideology are becoming apparent, they would want to follow actual best practise for their gender confused pupils.

I go to the PTA meetings anyway so I will continue to do so, and keep an eye on any proposals that contradict settled science or goes against what we know of normal child development stages. Though our school is very sensible and compassionate and not easily swayed by whatever the latest big thing is.

When my daughter starts school, if I ever get a hint of Mermaids-style gender bollocks being taught to her I will hit the bloody roof.

I'm so sad reading all this, I admit I wasn't fully aware of how things went down in Ireland. I realise it's bad but there must be something that can be done.

Is there anything we can do for our sisters in Ireland, aside from support here?

Maybe there will be a legal challenge at some point. I do think sometimes it will get worse before it gets better. I don't know enough about the political structures and processes to come up with any ideas.

Do posters here have real life groups there you can join?

The vast majority of people are unaware that self ID was introduced in 2015. People have no idea of the impact of this on women's rights. It is completely ignored in Irish media.
The statement by that group Women in STEM which centered transwomen's feelings in a book discussion about "Invisible Women" is just typical of this ideology. The reaction on Twitter shows that people are not in agreement with this. But the laws are already in place and I can't see the current government doing an to change this.

I'm a little more optimistic. This is a clear indication that the gender identity ideology contains little more than compelling people to think and say only certain things. A moment's thought raises the question "but if women's bodies are different to transwomen's bodies, what exactly is wrong with the book?" I'm hoping it will lead to a number of the people involved in this becoming aware of the cognitative dissonance this causes, and for this to plant a seed of doubt.

It's unbelievable, isn't it?! Fuckers! So utterly self-absorbed - rather than seeking to elevate 51% of the population, they would rather drag everyone down because they "feel" (not "are"!) excluded. Fuckwits

I am filled with utter rage at the WITS statement on Invisible Women and I am doubly frustrated that I am terrified to enter the discussion on Twitter because I would be afraid of losing my job.

Men in dresses have always ruled Ireland. It was always dangerous to challenge them or their ideology, which was in turn, fiercely defended by women.

My post references a reply on the letter linked above. Not one of the signatories called that commented on it.
feministire.com/2018/01/22/an-open-letter-to-the-organisers-of-the-we-need-to-talk-tour-from-a-group-of-feminists-in-ireland/

“Sarah-Anne Kennedy | January 24, 2018 at 11:52 am
Skepticat, you align all trans people with violent rapists and criminals. You goaded those people into attacking you at Speakers Corner. You went there with an agenda and you are only too delighted that they assaulted you.”

Christ.

@Misandrea

I came across this today, a letter telling UK feminists they weren't wanted at a public meeting in Dublin back in 2018! I don't know what happened in the end. This was off my radar completely until recently and I think that's the problem....people either have not heard of this womens rights issue (because mainstream media isn't reporting it) or if they do they keep their nose out - it doesn't affect them as notyourhandmaid said upthread.

feministire.com/2018/01/22/an-open-letter-to-the-organisers-of-the-we-need-to-talk-tour-from-a-group-of-feminists-in-ireland/

Late to this thread. I'm of an age where the troubles were the backdrop to my first 50 years feels like this fight is going to be the backdrop to the remainder of my life . I'm still shocked that tweeting on NI politics is the least controversial thing I could tweet about these days.

Estelle I hope you're doing ok and have stayed around

I don't know how we change this in Ireland. DUP won't be going along with this but Sinn Fein are and will be reluctant to accept that maybe the DUP got this one right. Sinn Fein got good support in the south last election so we do need to try and get across women's concerns to Mary Lou and Michelle O'Neil. It wouldn't hurt to reinforce women's concerns to Arlene Foster.

Does anyone know the Alliance & SDLP stance?

I don't live in NI anymore so no local politician to contact there.

The ratio on that twitter thread is gorgeous, though, bigbird

Thanks for the info everyone.

Lionheart, incredible that WITS put out that statement..... Its very depressing to think that so many organisations think like this. I wonder is this because self id is law so they have to behave like this publicly ?
Looks like the majority disagree with them on twitter though. It's good that this gets publicity. twitter.com/WITSIreland/status/1285980180784336896?s=19

80% (if that's an accurate figure?) of trans women haven't physically transitioned

For the UK there aren't any clear figures available. It's down to people to make their own estimates. The government says there are 300,000-500,000 trans people in the UK. Let's take the midpoint and say that half are transwomen. That's 200,000.

Over the past decade it would seem that there have been a few thousand gender reassignment surgeries, in the sense of the euphemistically named "bottom surgery", carried out in the UK or for UK people abroad. This is a broad estimate based on various sources, the true number is especially unclear.

For the UK, is likely that 90+% transwomen have not have gender reassignment surgery. But then it wouldn't surprise me if 90+% of transwomen don't have gender dysphoria.

It is mind boggling.

Oh dear god that WITS statement.
I can only sigh in the way that I do at the nonsense my early teen children do, when they think they know everything about a subject.

The idea that "invisible Women" should centre "trans and non-binary"?
Someone is massively missing the point.

Did anyone clock this from Women in Technology and Stem (Ireland)?

Invisible Women. The irony.

The Irish media are terrified to touch this. They wouldn't go near the Limerick prison story. Trans rights have been explicitly linked to gay rights, with self-ID being slipped in no-discussion-style on the back of same-sex marriage coming in. The only people speaking up are the headcases like the Iona Institute - and who wants to be 'on side' with them?

Most Irish people who are aware that self-ID exists feel like it's not going to affect them - like same-sex marriage or abortion, it's none of their business what other people are up to. It's been deliberately pitched that way, and if you think otherwise you're a terrible bigot. Sometimes people assume they've missed the discussion that was had about it - when in fact there wasn't one at all.

Hi bird the figures I've seen are between 80-90% - one was more specific at 88%.

Surgery isn't a requirement for a GRC so it hasn't been necessary to change the sex marker on birth certificates etc.

I hear groups are mobilising one Ireland. Can someone start writing pieces for blog sites and get the word out of the Irish media wont cover this?

I am so very sad for the women of Ireland. All under the radar. I hope somehow your voices can be heard because there will be an awful lot more of you than you think