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I'm going to write a book: 'Why I'm no longer talking to men about feminism'

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TheEighthHorcrux · 14/06/2020 01:14

I am so, so, so frustrated and tired of explaining why it's important that sex based spaces and conversations about the lived experiences of women is important.

Got into a debate about JK Rowling today with a close friend of mine. I am so very deeply hurt that despite saying that I believe anyone and everyone deserves kindness and love and acceptance, I was scoffed at by them in sharing my lived experience as a woman.

These experiences centred around:

  • childbirth
  • sexual assault

I really cannot fathom how someone can blithely dismiss the lived experiences of another person and resolutely ignore the fact that they are asking the same for another group of people.

I'm so angry.

Angry for being laughed at by someone I loved when I dared talk about my experiences (why is this ok to do to women but not men and trans folk?), and angry for being made out to be a bigot in what is becoming a tug of war over who is the most oppressed rather than a discussion of how we can work together.

I am past knowing whether I am articulating myself well enough. I am very angry without knowing where to put the anger. I stand with JK Rowling.

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Eggotchi · 14/06/2020 10:58

Another potential customer here!

Vaunting · 14/06/2020 10:50

Please do it. I’d buy it for me and for friends.

NeurotrashWarrior · 14/06/2020 10:49

I'm not getting anywhere with a number of women either though, even when they have had children and have suffered DV and more Confused

MujeresLibres · 14/06/2020 10:45

Do it. I'll buy it and give out copies at Christmas.

twoHopes · 14/06/2020 09:55

OP - I'm 100% with you. I've had men say I must be making it up when I tell them about some of the experiences I've had. They think I'm being melodramatic to make a point. It makes me want to scream.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 14/06/2020 08:56
Flowers

Good title. I'd also buy it.

Wondersense · 14/06/2020 08:47

Unfortunately, men can be absolutely blind when it comes to the vulnerabilities of women. Laughad at? As you sure he's even friend material??? Confused

Ozgirl75 · 14/06/2020 08:41

It can be worth it. I talk to my husband all the time about women’s issues and he has been really influenced by this. So much so that when his work said they were going to introduce unisex toilets he made them poll the women to see if they really wanted that (answer - no and the idea has been quietly dropped).
I’ve also given him specific things to say to help women at his work advocate for themselves, and things he can do and say when there is no female voice in the room.
After being together for 20 years this side of him where he has been so open to learning about this has made me so proud of him.
It helps that he’s fairly high up at work.

TheEighthHorcrux · 14/06/2020 01:44

The chance to explain why I feel this way and the changes I suggest.

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TheEighthHorcrux · 14/06/2020 01:42

It's awful to be shut down and silenced in such a way.

Especially because I don't feel that what I am saying is radical and beyond the pale.

Sex is a biological fact. Gender is a social construct.

In my opinion it is the concept of gender that needs to take a hike. Not careful consideration on the lived experiences of either sex, and intersex people.

I will call you he or she or rose or billy: Whatever you want. I will use the pronouns you choose to describe yourself. I'll embrace your fashion and personality.

But I won't pretend that some things have happened to me because I have a female body. And things need to change.

I have never experienced anything so dehumanising, alienating and degrading as childbirth. It is something that has shaped my present and future and influenced my decision to have children in the future,

Why should I just put up and shut up about this? I deserve dignity, respects and the chance to explain a aw

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LockdownLump · 14/06/2020 01:33

I'll buy it X

Dicotyledon · 14/06/2020 01:31

I got told that men were not infiltrating lesbian groups because of evil terfs. The conversation went downhill from there and I just walked away.

MrsPeacockInTheLibrary · 14/06/2020 01:25

I am angry too. I get it. Happy to talk more. PM me if it helps.

Melia100 · 14/06/2020 01:16

Flowers TheEighthHorcrux

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