'Dismantling cisgender privilege'

Cis Privilege

I’m sorry, what??? Cis privilege

Feeling oppressed? Not equal? Feel marginalised? Feel unsafe? Judged?

Welcome to life as a woman.

Cis privilege my ass

Don't understand any of that - words I don't know.

Transpriveldge can often be seen though, it's people being unable to recognise that ones sex can have a negative effect on another persons life chances because they have never experienced it so don't see it

They go after other women because they are a soft target. As we've seen this week, there are no consequences to publicly calling a powerful woman a 'karen', a cunt or even calling for her death.

If they go after the actual architects of their suffering - men, it could limit their career opportunities, incite violence, or lead to critical media coverage because white men control everything.

What is cis priveledge for a woman?

To be accepted as a woman? No thanks, I would rather be accepted as a human or a man
To be allowed to use the ladies loos? Well I would rather a separate Male and female loo were not necessary
To be paid less, to be ignored when it comes to design and medicine, be raped, to be the default carer, need I go one?

It’s as if they’ve forgotten the Male/female axis of oppression in their hasty reauthorisation of intersectionality.

How come transactivists aren’t told to be intersectional the way feminists are? Oh yes, because that would mean accepting that male and female are too distinct categories, and that’s literal violence or some such 🙄

BLM!

Right up until they butt up against the most marginalised of all - white men IDing as a woman.

Then they can get to back of the queue.

Women were never really allowed in the queue.

Hi Warmth, sorry, I didn't mean that to come across as a direct reply to your comment about intersectionality. I understood the flippant comment and read it with an implied .

The whole concept of 'cis privilege' just boils my blood, as does the fact that so called 'intersectional' feminists* wilfully ignore the very real axis of oppression that is biological sex, in favour of casting people born female in the role of oppressor in relation to the far far more vulnerable people born male. Suddenly, if you call both groups 'women', being born female makes you privileged and oppressive rather than part of the subjugated class that female humans have always been. Fuck that.

I know that real intersectional feminism - i.e that which examines and illuminates the ways in which sex based oppression is compounded by other real* axes of oppression - such as race, sexuality and economic class - is incredibly important and necessary. It's just the fantasy that 'female born women' are privileged over 'amab ' ones, and therefore intersectional oppression applies to 'transwomen', that I call bullshit on.

Thanks, Rave. My remark about intersectionality was perhaps flippant, borne out of frustration with having it used as a stick to try to guilt-trip GC women into ceding ground to men, and in response to Bercows query on another thread as to why the BLM aims include such opposing statements. Straight from the bad old days of Everyday Feminism.

Despite having appropriated the concept of intersectionality so that it's now understood to be synonymous with TWAW 'feminism', TRAs cannot countenance that having female reproductive biology is a distinct axis of oppression.

Taken at face value, a TWAW, intersectional perspective should acknowledge that female humans who consider themselves women are doubly oppressed as compared to TW, due to fitting whatever nebulous, circular definition there is that day of 'woman', in addition to suffering under the particular forms of oppression, violence, marginalisation and exploitation that people born female are subjected to.

Instead, of course, they assert that being 'cis' puts women in a position of privilege and power over the supposedly far more vulnerable (stronger, larger, invulnerable to pregnancy, born and socialised into male privilege) 'women' who have male reproductive biology. Somehow, even for people who believe they are two different things, the intersection of 'womanhood' and 'femaleness' doesn't count; in fact unlike all the other intersections of oppression which compound vulnerability, those two characteristics in one person form a double negative of oppression, cancelling each other out so that, actually, 'female women' are the privileged ones.

Which tells you all you need to know about how woman-hating this ideology is.

Hi there, Bercows, I thought I'd trundle over here from the BLM thread to check if this had come up yet, and here you are
It is a glaring contradiction. But intersectionalism.

Women don't experience any kind of imaginary c** privilege.

The fact the BLM organisers think they do is just another sign of how male-centred they are.