'Dismantling cisgender privilege'

Are there other BLM websites with slightly different domain names? Whether you think this group hijacked the name or not becomes irrelevant if this group is taken to represent the cause, they then become the cause.

Having lost a job due to being a parent, raised a child alone with no financial assistance as govt policy appeared not to prioritise chasing child maintenance and seen my domestic abuser escape a prison sentence despite battering and strangling me because he had " problems" that he received immediate counselling for whereas my ptsd due to his abuse did not warrant me immediate NHS counselling I suggest cisgender privelige is bullshit. Oh and I've been raped too. And sexually harassed at work. Anyone using this phrase near me will get a loud fuck off.

The only privilege I can think of around this debate, for being an adult human female, is that I am highly unlikely to be killed by another adult human female. If this is a privilege then the world is mad.

It's rarely ascribed to men though, is it!

Yes I was just thinking about that for men, as certainly the homophobia / misogyny comes pouring out at the slightest opportunity. Eg men panicking about young sons wearing dresses, having a doll, liking pink.

Not for women.

There is no such thing as c* privilege.

Not for women, for sure - I suppose there may be for men but quelle surprise, that's not what was being complained about.

Oh! I just looked up cis-privilege. I can't fecking believe it.

Girls in U.K. schools are having to cross their legs and walk full lengths of schools in order to access a toilet they feel safe in, after the gender woo brigade reorganised toilets to be "inclusive" to "males who feel feminine."

There is no such thing as c* privilege.

Basically, all this c* privilege is spouted forth from people, including women, who have so much fucking general privilege in their day to day lives, they can argue the toss about words without having to go into the sea to clean themselves during their periods.

From the article:

Women, particularly those in informal work, also find disposal and personal hygiene and issue in the workplace. In Solomon Islands, one woman reported going to the sea to wash herself, which can be a safety risk. Going out alone to a remote area can expose women to physical, sexual or emotional violence, especially they only feel comfortable to do so after dark because of the stigma.

MENSTRUATION IS RARELY TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS – AND GIRLS WITH DISABILITIES OFTEN MISS OUT ENTIRELY

And ffs, we do actually have "period poverty" issues in the U.K. too.

Fucks me right off.

This is why as a black women I cannot support the BLM organisation. It's not for me.

In the state capitol in California, there are toilets for men and mixed toilets.
The boys need their privacy.
Women and girls not do much.

Another excellent point Michelle

Obviously these women have excellent privilege. Including the disabled ones.

iwda.org.au/what-is-it-like-to-have-your-period-in-a-developing-country/

As a biological woman I at least don't have to worry about whether there will be a toilet for me, because if there is one for men then there will definitely be one for me.

Not so. Many places are retaining male facilities while making female ones mixed sex, because it's all cubicles so "we shouldn't mind".

If I look at the way my relative is treated, women assume they are a threat, and men assume they are a cissy/traitor, so they are treated worse than a non-trans person who is biologically male. As I said, because they see trans as traitors, men won't let my relative use the men's toilet.

Then you and your relative need to address men. Women are not support humans.

Yes, sorry. I'm Incensed by it after a few days of arguments.

Please let’s not keep repeating that highly offensive word. It gives it legitimacy and affords credence to the highly offensive basis on which it is built.

Also, who is born cis? You are born black. You are born male or female. You may be born with some disabilities; others occur later.

Cis is - what exactly?

Cis privilege completely denies the fact that women are oppressed all around the world solely because of their sex.

And if trans women were actually women like they constantly tell us, they’d recognise that.

Cis privilege is...

My point being male designers are rather shit.

Quite.

And to take that analogy further: no one is saying mothers with buggies don't have access issues. No one is saying it's not very hard to access public transport with small children and a buggy in tow. No one is saying that the journey for a parent and child might be as crucial as that of a wheelchair user. No one is saying that it's not a problem that busses haven't been designed to offer enough space for wheelchair users and parents with buggies to use at the same time.

The issue is that a group without that specific disadvantage have commandeered the provision made specifically for the management of that disadvantage, and it's provision that group are dependent on. The commandeerers sometimes move when a wheelchair user would be excluded from the bus if they don't, but more often on MN the commandeerer has a tantrum because they want their need met and don't care how it impacts on someone else.

Commandeering it and insisting on entitlement to it further disadvantages the people it was intended for, and when you analyse which of the two groups involved have more power, more choice, more options..... it becomes obvious which group need to respect other people's rights and needs and do something different about it. Such as campaign for additional spaces so that everyone's needs are met.

Bus groups and law have been fumbling anxiously around the need for a while to stand up to and defend wheelchair user spaces from able bodied people with buggies, and insist those spaces keep the brief they were designed for. They don't quite dare to, because one group has way more power than the other.

Same issue with female spaces.

They even fucking appropriate the whole "invisible disability" movement (eg, a stoma) with "not all menstruators are women" crap.

Cis privilege my arse.

.... Black trans women who continue to be disproportionately impacted by trans-antagonistic violence.

It may well be true that black transwomen are disproportionately impacted by trans-antagonistic violence, and that should certainly be combatted.

However, what this seems to be missing is any information on whether black women are also disproportionately affected by misogynistic violence. I don't know the answer to that because this seems not to be something that's reported on. As has been noted, if you do a google search for anything to do with murders of black women, you will overwhelmingly (if not exclusively) get hits about black transwomen. I don't believe for one moment that black women aren't victims too - just that they are not newsworthy. Violence against women is the norm - the discrepancy is invisibility not 'Cis privilege'.

Bang on Michelle. Excellent analogy.

I felt awful the few times I had to use the disabled loos to breastfeed a cantankerous baby when it was pissing it down/ no where to sit /too noisy (I had latch issues and had to listen for the clicks), but strangely all the baby changes facilities are lumped into the disabled toilet... I tried not to use busses unless I had a sling and had left the buggy behind. But we have metros in the north east.

My point being male designers are rather shit.