'Dismantling cisgender privilege'

This person did make every thread about them so it's not at all surprising..

I've been here long enough now to notice this phenomenon. Usually accompanied by the scintillating revelation that "I am not a feminist" as if we couldn't bloody work that out for ourselves.

Didn't say that, did I?
So what else does "having the mind of a woman" mean?

Thanks Supergoggles.

I'm still angry about it. This person did make every thread about them so it's not at all surprising. But it made me sit up straight.

So you think it's OK to go along with sexist stereotypes of women

Didn't say that, did I?

I am proper thinking ta
We don't all have to "think proper" like dog does apparently

wrongsideofhistorymyarse.

Gosh the lack of empathy of that statement.

I’m sure I’ve read that infertility can be one of the most emotionally and mentally distressing things to go through, but it doesn’t get half the airtime or understanding of other causes of mental anguish/distress.

I had a few years of secondary infertility and miscarriages between children but thankfully have my family now. I would not compare that with what some people go through or claim to understand their pain though.

That person must be a narc if they believe pining for an imaginary womb is more important than the living breathing children they brought into the world.

To claim miscarriages, birth injuries, ovarian cancer and endometriosis as ‘privilege’ is disgusting.

Some years ago in this section, a transwoman told me their infertility was more tragic than mine because 'at least I had a womb'.

He'd fathered children.

Great post barbieandkenBruce.

Looking at this another way... why is it the mystical c** privilege applied to biological females with relation to trans women?

If you’re talking about c* privilege presumably it’s with relation to c men that trans women are disadvantaged (ie the c man is comfortable in his male body, does not have to worry as much about his safety, being called names for his clothing choices etc). Likewise a c* woman may have privilege over a trans man who has the biological and often systemic struggles of being female but has the added discomfort regarding their sense of gender and the judgement of society for this.

In fact, if it was acknowledged that much of the things trans women complain/worry about come from men and are worries shared by women, they would have a more sympathetic ear from women rather than being jealous/wanting to take away from us/diminish the specific sex-based needs women have because they can’t share it and they feel excluded.

This situation could be mutually supportive if the expected sympathy worked both ways. There are prominent trans people who get this and are supportive of women’s issues specific to their biology, but it’s the TRAs and allies who want to take and obliterate it all.

To claim miscarriages, birth injuries, ovarian cancer and endometriosis as ‘privilege’ is disgusting.

Do some proper thinking daisy

It might help you

I have the biology bits, I also have the mind bits for want of a better phrase.
So you think it's OK to go along with sexist stereotypes of women.
How nice for you.
Rest of us don't.

I think we as women who were born female definitely have privilege over trans females

Nope. We as women are simply ascertaining our legal right to spaces to change away from biological males. Which includes transwomen as it's not possible to change sex. This is not a privilege, its a right that women have had to fight for, and have had to continue to do so due to male attempts to infiltrate these spaces; to force women to validate and accept their male sexed bodies changing next to them and their daughters. And the answer is bloody well no. Get to fuck with your female privilege.

You were not "just thinking aloud".

You deliberately came here to tell people that they are talking "crap" and to chuck about the cis word which you must know people here find offensive.

You are clearly a disingenuous and goady poster.

Quoting a PP on this very thread:
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Do not use Cis to describe me. It is hugely offensive and I reject it*

• Sex selective abortion - millions of female foetuses destroyed because they're female
• Female Genital Mutilation
• Being married off to older men
• Being prostituted
• Poor healthcare

We don't use the word cis here (with or without twee asterisks). Because it depends on a belief in gender ideology. It's like expecting non-Christians to believe in transubstantiation.

I guess it's perhaps not so surprising that lemonade who identifies and CIS recognises a priveledge which women who don't identify as CIS dont experience?

Perhaps cis priveledge does exist but only for cis gender women?

Perhaps the problem is that a gender assumption is used agaianst women. It's no joy being taken for granted as happy with your gender if in fact you are not happy with the assumed gender?

I think many feminists are strictly speaking none binary ( includes a gender) and so instead of seeing cisnpriveldge, we see discrimination in being treated differently to the gender to which we identify

Forced femininity is having to dress a certain way for work,having to have Ms or Mrs on my bank statements whereas the men I know can just have their initials.Its being crowned at ityou have a pint in a pub(I do remember this being refused when I was younger)
It's being told to be kind,the assumption that you like children.That you should be hairless.
A whole young life being told to be more lady like.
I'm old now but watching the more subtle things my daughter goes through.
I hate unisex toilets,I hate paddling across them and that men using them see no need to close cubicle doors.

Our school has today emailed us the LA leaflet on BLM. It conveniently fails to mention anything except the bits about racial equality.

I’d take that as a good sign that whoever Was put in charge of writing the leaflets has their head on straight and hasn’t been infected by Pomo college student dogma! (Unlike unfortunately whoever was in charge of the website)

AFAIK the local BLM orgs are pretty independent.

I also have the mind bits for want of a better phrase.

There is no “female mind” as something separate from a “female body” any more than there are Disembodied souls floating about In the ether or up to heaven or reincarnation etc

The only thing I have in common with other woman is being born in a female body and reaching adulthood.

Therefore, by definition, the only thing that defines womenhood is something I cannot possible share with a transwoman.

Transwomen are transwomen. People born male that wish they had been born female.

Yeah, forced femininity is such a privilege

Who talked about forced femininity?
What even is that?
I certainly don't feel forced to perform femininity, it's sad if you do though.
No-one should feel that way, like they need to perform a certain way or be a certain so called feminine way

Women don't experience any kind of imaginary c privilege

See, I don't agree.
I'm a woman, totally happy and identifying in what I am.
A woman.
I have the biology bits, I also have the mind bits for want of a better phrase.
There's such a thing as a c** privilege, there's such a thing as a straight privilege, and there's such a thing as a white privilege.
I have them all and I'm constantly thinking lately

Seriously, don't quote/talk to me

I wasn't.
Just thinking aloud, nothing to do with you, you just carry on.

That's crap though

Yeah, forced femininity is such a privilege.

Seriously, don't quote/talk to me if you don't understand the first thing about feminism and a critique of gender. It's boring, and I'm fed up to the back teeth this morning of stupidity.

Women don't experience any kind of imaginary c** privilege.

That's crap though
I know I have a privilege being so called cisgender for want of a better term.
If I wasn't completely identifying as a woman, if I wasn't straight?
C and het is a thing

Someone having something you want is not the same as them being privileged and you being oppressed.
Say I wanted to be pregnant and have a baby. I wanted time off work for scan appointments, maternity leave and pay, I wanted to go to antenatal classes then baby classes and wanted to go to soft play without someone questioning me because I wasnt actually pregnant or had a baby.
Am I being discriminated against? Do those mother's have 'pregnancy privilege'?
You'd have to be so lacking in empathy and compassion to truly believe you should have the rights and services they do, especially when (stretching this now) you're presence would mean an increased risk for those using them. You would be demanding the rights without any of the reasons for needing those rights in the first place, without any of the health risks mothers' have, without any of the downside.
If your main priority in the world is 'wanting to be a woman' when you're a man, I can see how painful you would find it to look at women and think they have everything you want. But this is looking at the world through one incredibly narrow 'ability to be a woman' lens.
When in actual fact if you broadened your lens even slightly you would see this ability to be a woman, and inability to be anything else, comes with a huge set of disadvantages in the world you will never have to experience.
So no, female privilege does not exist outside of a transwoman's desire and don't call me c** anything, I'm not a molecule.