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Hannah Gadsby - Netflix

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RuffleCrow · 13/06/2020 22:29

Anyone fancy challenging her over a "Hermione is probably a Terf' 'joke' in her new Netflix show, 'Douglas'? I believe she's on Twitter. No doubt EW's legal team are already on it for entirely different legal reasons.

She immediately justified it by saying she was "punching up". Wtf Shock

I switched off straight afterwards so no idea if she was actually setting up a meta joke about how we shouldn't throw dangerous labels at each other. I doubt it though. Really disappointing as I thought her previous show, Nanette, was really good. I guess it's gone to her head and she doesn't need educated (GCSE Science) women anymore. Sad

Do we think she's genuinely ignorant of the way the word is used, or is she lashing out at other women for some reason?

If it's any consolation, I think about one person gave her a pity laugh.

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RuffleCrow · 14/06/2020 22:17

I disagree @VashtaNerada. Many Muslim people are more than happy to do what they can to promote a more peaceful society, because that's the kind of place they want to live in too. And there are certainly already transwomen building bridges with GC women and reporting when they've seen violent and threatening posts from TRAs. Chin up. Smile

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TehBewilderness · 14/06/2020 21:38

The just want to live their own lives in peace transsexuals are in the minority. Transgenderists are the majority, and they demonize transsexuals every bit as much as they do Gays, Lesbians, and Feminists.

TehBewilderness · 14/06/2020 21:35

@VashtaNerada

I haven’t seen threats from the GC side but I have heard generalisations that I find offensive, such as calling trans people misogynist or saying they accept violence against women.
Bothsiderism is the term for this assertion. 4th rule of misogyny: Women's opinion are violence against men, thus male violence against women is justified.
RufustheRowlingReindeer · 14/06/2020 21:23

Massively enjoying the petulance of this remark

Petulant

Thats the word i was looking for...all i had was ‘ oh for goodness sake’

VashtaNerada · 14/06/2020 20:50

Decent Muslims have worked to stamp out radicalisation. They don’t have to though. It shouldn’t be the burden of decent Muslims and decent trans people to police the minority of extremists. If you know Muslims IRL or trans people IRL it’s pretty bleeding obvious the majority don’t go around behaving like that.

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RuffleCrow · 14/06/2020 19:16

If the worst GC women had to contend with was someone pointing out our clothes didn't fit we'd be ecstatic. There's simply no comparison between a mildly bitchy comment about a suit, and threatening to make someone choke to death on your 'ladydick'. Nice try though Hmm

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RuffleCrow · 14/06/2020 19:08

Well, Twitter is awash with people who claim to be trans making death and rape threats against women who politely disagree with them, so I'm not surprised they're giving themselves a bad rep @VashtaNerada.

You can hardly blame women for getting a poor impression when every biology-centred tweet they post is met with extreme misogyny and threats of murder and sexual violence. Sounds like something for the decent members of the trans community to adopt a zero tolerance policy towards - in much the same way that decent Muslims have worked to stamp out radicalisation in their communities.

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RoyalCorgi · 14/06/2020 18:40

I guess once someone expresses anti-transphobic views it's all fair game here

Massively enjoying the petulance of this remark. Petulance is what TRAs do best, along with misogyny, aggression, self-pity and narcissism.

DidoLamenting · 14/06/2020 18:38

Not sure how attacking what she wears is at all fair/helpful though but I guess once someone expresses anti-transphobic views it's all fair game here

It was intended to be a joke about her lateness in attempting to climb aboard the let's kick JK Rowling bandwagon.

It must be difficult running in a suit that's too tight and that bandwagon rolled on way ahead of her. I mentally see her huffing and puffing and shouting "wait for me" . It didn't and she looks petty and opportunistic.

SunsetBeetch · 14/06/2020 18:15

I never did get around to watching anything she's done.

I haven’t seen threats from the GC side but I have heard generalisations that I find offensive, such as calling trans people misogynist or saying they accept violence against women.

No, transactivists or TRAs: a particular subsection of trans people. Not all trans people.

ValancyRedfern · 14/06/2020 17:33

Devastated. I love her.

SarahProblem · 14/06/2020 16:46

I enjoyed Nanette and Douglas was great too.

Not sure how attacking what she wears is at all fair/helpful though but I guess once someone expresses anti-transphobic views it's all fair game here.

VashtaNerada · 14/06/2020 16:16

I haven’t seen threats from the GC side but I have heard generalisations that I find offensive, such as calling trans people misogynist or saying they accept violence against women.

VickyEadieofThigh · 14/06/2020 14:35

Can I add that I was urged to watch 'Nanette' repeatedly by a friend whose opinion I trust.

I was a bit disappointed, if I'm honest.

ChattyLion · 14/06/2020 13:48

I was gutted that such a talented, seemingly decent thinker who will be looked to as A Voice Of Lesbian Opinion, would turn out to be so dismissive of women’s and lesbian’s experiences in her political thinking.

The vast majority of her Twitter followers have pointed out the problems with what she’s said though which gives me hope.
mobile.twitter.com/Hannahgadsby/status/1271594929085485056

I’m hopeful Hannah Gadsby will do an amazing show about all this one day. It’s absolutely rife with irony and has scope for very politically powerful comedy. Or, she may just be another self-serving careerist prat, there is a lot of that about. Sad

VickyEadieofThigh · 14/06/2020 13:41

I'd be interested if you could post any examples of serious insults and threats of violence from the GC side though.

Indeed.

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RuffleCrow · 14/06/2020 13:27

That's strange, Vashta because my experience, over many years now, has been that one side is concerned with conveying factual information (admittedly factual information that the other side might find hard to hear - but sadly, facts don't account for our feelings, they just are), wheras the other side very quickly degenerates into threats of male violence against women. I'd be interested if you could post any examples of serious insults and threats of violence from the GC side though.

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VashtaNerada · 14/06/2020 11:50

@Shedbuilder in all honesty, I find the discussion can degenerate so quickly into insults on both sides I always feel cautious about stepping in! I personally think there are significant crossovers between the GC people and trans activists in the sense of both wanting to protect more vulnerable people. It’s nice when there is a genuine conversation. I think both JKR and Mermaids attempted to do that last week - whether they succeeded is another matter!

RoyalCorgi · 14/06/2020 11:38

Agree with DonkeySkin's excellent post.

Looking at Gadsby's horrible tweet, it's not just that she's drunk the Kool Aid that's so disappointing, though it is. It's her sheer nastiness towards a woman who has bravely spoken out about her experience of sexual assault and domestic abuse. What an absolutely shitty thing to do to another woman. Perhaps she thinks it makes her look good - in which case she's stupid as well as wrong.

contactusdeletus · 14/06/2020 10:33

@Melia100

Yeah, she's drunk the Kool Aid.

I really loved her previous show. She was out and proud as butch, and talked about pushing back on people who told her she must be trans. Now she's with a trans or non-binary partner, can't remember which, and revelling in letting out the internalized misogyny.

Is that what happened to her?
Shedbuilder · 14/06/2020 10:22

Vashta, I'm saddened that you are so surprised to receive a polite and informative answer or feel you're poking a hornet's nest. I can't see what question you asked. Was it in a previous post? I'll scroll back.

twoHopes · 14/06/2020 09:36

@DonkeySkin you are absolutely right. I've had a few conversations with women where I've shown them pictures of e.g. Alex Drummond and you can see the slow dawning realisation of what's happening. But it is very difficult to have that conversation with other women without them immediately balking at the idea and thinking you must be transphobic.

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VashtaNerada · 14/06/2020 09:09

Thanks @RuffleCrow for a genuine answer to my question!

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RuffleCrow · 14/06/2020 08:32

Vashsta, nobody hear thinks all transwomen are violent and abusive, any more than we think all men are violent and abusive. Sadly though, both the patriarchy in general, and this particular strand of it, are underpinned by the silent threat of violence and abuse that often women aren't consciously aware of until they 'misspeak' or 'misstep' online or in the real world.

I'm sure many of us have experienced that flash of fear down the spine when a man we'd hitherto regarded as a ' really nice guy' shoots us a 'warning look' that tells us we've overstepped the mark and reminds us he could kill us with his bare hands if he wanted to. Not that he would. He's a 'nice guy'. But he could, theoretically, and of course that underpins the tone of the relationship from then on - as 'fun' as it may be on the surface.

Sadly, any male can claim to be female - there's no filtering process and male violence against women remains at the same rates as the rest of the male after transition (which nowadays is just saying 'i'm a woman').

While Donkeyskin makes some excellent points, and describes me to a t before i became GC, actually, I can't help but think that living so much in the online bubble, most of these celebs will have had composite screenshots of the endless vile abuse so called 'TRAs' have sent women, and indeed many of them crop up on their own threads as part of a 'thank you' tweet, and are not challenged in any way. I didn't have the benefit of any of that 'dark side' when I was a Lib Fem. That's the part that really puzzles me.

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