Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

See all MNHQ comments on this thread

Mermaids response to JK Rowling

438 replies

SapphosRock · 13/06/2020 08:44

Interesting to read the other side:

mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/dear-jk-rowling/

OP posts:
Thread gallery
9
SarahTancredi · 13/06/2020 09:31

I couldn't even finish reading. Blatant lying and they know it

Porridgeoat · 13/06/2020 09:28

What were the 14 lies?

ThisIsMeOrIsIt · 13/06/2020 09:25

I'm just starting to get into reading about both sides of this debate, as I feel I align myself with JKR but do want to know what both arguments are. This is the first Mermaids piece I have read and clearly I need to read more from both sides as it has left me somewhat confused.

The article about biological sex doesn't necessarily support their argument, as I feel the examples they're talking about, the SRY "popping" over the the X chromosome for example, must be fairly far and few between, surely? It doesn't state that this happens frequently, just that it can, and in fact gives no data on how often these kinds of things biologically happen.

I also feel they gloss over the whole safe space thing. It seems they're saying that for approximately 0.52% of the UK population that are trans, women must allow people with penises into changing rooms, locker rooms etc. Is that right? They say that no-one needs a birth certificate to prove entry to a changing room (can't remember the exact words) - surely this means that any man can turn up to a changing room and go in, saying it's discriminatory to say he can't. Have I got that right?

I'm sure I've got it wrong - happy to be corrected so I can understand this debate properly.

Wakaranaihito · 13/06/2020 09:24

I followed the link to research that supposedly proves TW don't retain male violence. Just skimmed but pretty sure it said the male pattern offending remained the same Can someone double check that - was late at night so I might have got it wrong.

NotTerfNorCis · 13/06/2020 09:14

I guess 'smelly' is a pun on toilets being smelly.

NotBadConsidering · 13/06/2020 09:12

So many lies and worst of all, it’s so badly written. One shared trait between all TRAs is poor writing. They actually called an argument “smelly”. Did a trans kid actually write it?

CustardCreamTeaDunker · 13/06/2020 09:04

@Deltoids1 can you post them? I’d like to post them in the comments of a friends post about this.

Gncq · 13/06/2020 09:03

so the argument that gender recognition certificates “throw open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms” is disingenuous…as well as smelly. While you offer no evidence to back up your suggestion that most women oppose changes around trans access to women’s toilets, we can offer evidence to the contrary

"Eww JKR is smelly"

Gncq · 13/06/2020 08:58

Ugh
The amount of times Mermaids have been corrected on who started the Stonewall riots (allegedly a black gay man with a drag alter ego but in reality no one actually knows) to see them continue with this deliberate lie is rather infuriating.

Deltoids1 · 13/06/2020 08:56

I counted 14 outright lies or pieces of misinformation.

SapphosRock · 13/06/2020 08:56

Seeing that they are coming from polar opposite positions I thought it was a thoughtful and respectful response. Good that Mermaids condemn the actions of the TRAs who have attacked JKR too - I hope they read it and are ashamed.

OP posts:
Ickabog · 13/06/2020 08:51

We see no evidence that trans girls are a threat to other girls in any way.

Very telling that they choose to mention trans girls, as apposed to trans women...

nauticant · 13/06/2020 08:51

The modern gay rights movement was, after all, sparked by a protest led by trans women of colour.

If they need to use misinformation or tell lies to make their case then there's something wrong with their case.

Swipe left for the next trending thread