Mermaids response to JK Rowling

Should also have said there were only 17% who thought they should be allowed in - the rest were all 'dont knows'

This is more relevant than you initial 55%.

Just seen Glinner retweeting this regarding the Mermaids statement.

twitter.com/zeno001/status/1271760923477368834?s=09

Let’s look at another lie shall we?

We know of no evidence of transgender women being a threat to other women in refuges

Meet Christopher Hambrook, who “falsely claimed” to be trans (if he says he is, he is, isn’t he?) who then sexually assaulted two women — a deaf and homeless Quebec woman and a Toronto survivor of domestic violence — while he was living at a Dundas St. W. shelter and the Fred Victor women’s shelter in January and February 2012.

torontosun.com/2014/02/26/predator-who-claimed-to-be-transgender-declared-dangerous-offender/wcm/fc2c70f0-b1a1-41e2-85db-bec9d0012ce5

merrymouse

My understanding is that transwomen with a GRC are automatically housed in the female prison, and statistically they will be counted as women. So they are effectively disappeared because legally they are women.

Those without a GRC are subject to a panel assessment. Presumably they will not be counted as women if they are housed in a female prison, but as transwomen.

The highest security unit possible, is not something that is ever present in female prisons, as far as I'm aware. Because it's not necessary.

So in the unlikely event that a woman would commit a crime that necessitated incarceration in such a unit, it would have to be in the men's estate.

Since they first wrote that rebuttal, mermaids have made 61 deletions and 161 additions.

Either they don't they don't know what they're talking about, or they think they can get away with bollocks.

Either way, it tells you much you need to know.

In terms of whether or not men are purposely identifying as women to get into the female estate, then yes, obviously. They are using the women and their presence in a softer prison, as a loophole for an easier ride.

Any men who insist on accessing female toilets, are using women as a validation service. It doesn't matter how they identify, or how much they believe it.

Which ever way you look at it, women are being used.

Should also have said there were only 17% who thought they should be allowed in - the rest were all 'dont knows'

Q. 5. "Do you think someone who identifies as a woman but was born male and still has male genitalia should or should not be free to use female changing rooms where women/girls are undressing/showering?"

Seems pretty clearcut to me. Not surprising that 55% of women wanted people with male genitalia kept out.

I can only assume they are referencing female, not males IDing as women except I was bought short on this stat.

Women’s prison population

• Women make up around 5% of the overall prison population in the UK.
• The number of women in prison in England and Wales was 3,641 on 27 March 2020.
• There were a total of 7,206 receptions into women’s prisons in the year ending September 2019.
• Women accounted for 10% of all prison receptions during this time period.
• The women’s prison population in England and Wales more than doubled between 1995 and 2010, from 1,979 to 4,236 and has since remained around 4,000.

I cannot see why the numbers have more than doubled, and of course they can’t ‘out’ transwomen prisoners.

It is troubling that the numbers going up have coincided with the push for self ID, and the seeming consensus to report transwomen crimes under sex category female.

I used to commission surveys for a business. You can make them say pretty much what you want. It’s really not hard to slant it.

I agree with Team Evil.
It is absolutely evil to lie on issues like this, where the consequences are so serious, women getting raped in prison, children sterilised.
This is why lobby groups like Mermaids should never gain too much power. They are not impartial, they are totally agenda driven.

There's also the survey Helen Staniland crowd-funded, which found that 55% of women thought that a person who identifies as female but has male genitalia should not be in women's changing rooms

twitter.com/helenstaniland/status/1055128983803703297

It was conducted by a proper survey organisation.

If transwomen don't retain male pattern violence, how come approximately half of the 120 transwomen in prison are sex offenders?

Or could it just be that a significant number of sex offenders think it is advantageous to identify as trans? How can Mermaids present statistics on trans people when nobody can agree what a trans person is?

Also are these people with a GRC? I was under the impression that the figures only included people who don't yet have a GRC, so we don't actually know how many people in prison are trans.

Given that the 'trans' can now include pretty much anyone, I think its also relevant to ask why these sex offenders are identifying as trans.

I am also pretty sure that JKR knows all these stats and knows that Mermaids are being disingenuous.

That is nothing more than mermaids trying to get away from the shit they can see heading their way.

Helen watts has asked richard Garside about the prisons stuff on twitter

twitter.com/mshelenwatts/status/1271750279973818368?s=21

Amazingly he thinks mermaids are politely talking shite as well

I think I’m going for Team Evil. No one can be that stupid, to think their lies wouldn’t be seen through.

It’s not disingenuous, not sly, not cheeky. It’s evil. They are complicit in creating loopholes that risk the safety of women and girls, while advocating for the sterilisation of children with hormone treatment.

Susie Green not only said that of course she took her then son to the doctor because he wanted to play with dolls, she continued to say in a TEDTalk. She genuinely believed and presumably still does, that there is something wrong with a boy playing with dolls. All his dolls were removed.

I had to stop at ‘Jake Edwards’. But of course, no-one cares about my triggered feelings. After all, I’m the lowest of the low. I have two xx chromosomes, but I don’t even menstruate anymore! How very dare I wander in with an opinion, god forbid! According to the latest groupthink manifesto, as a woman who no longer menstruates, (although I did previously every month for 30 years solid), I don’t have any right or relevance whatsoever to fight this fight.

Women prisoners do not get put into shared spaces with men unless that man claims he is not a man.

It's ludicrous.

Yes thanks Sapphos. 👍

So many lies to dismantle, so little time.

If transwomen don't retain male pattern violence, how come approximately half of the 120 transwomen in prison are sex offenders?

ItsLateHumpty

Is it made clear that those are biological women, and not 'legal' women?

Wow @SapphosRock thanks for starting this thread. It really has been good to read the ‘other side’ and see just how much evidence there is against it.

It’s reconfirmed to me why I centre girls and women (female kind).

Thanks

They are all over the place re: prisons.

They say:

Abusive women are usually placed within male prisons due to the increased security measures in place.

Women aren't randomly placed with male prisoners. Some male prisons have female units.

The Mermaids letter is disingenuous, they know fine well she wasn’t implying that trans people are potentially abusers, she was saying that if all a predatory man has to do to enter a female prison, refuge, changing room or toilet is say ‘I identify as a woman’ then people will no longer feel empowered to ask them to leave, as they can do under the current regulations, staff will not want to be accused of transphobia, companies will not want to be taken to court and women will not use those facilities therefore removing them from fully participating in public life.