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Mermaids response to JK Rowling

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SapphosRock · 13/06/2020 08:44

Interesting to read the other side:

mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/dear-jk-rowling/

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Datun · 14/06/2020 01:07

Who can read a sentence 'We see no evidence that trans girls are a threat to other girls in any way

It's really unfortunate for them that people might search 'trans girls' on twitter.

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titchy · 13/06/2020 21:41

Ignore me - should have posted that on the other thread Blush

titchy · 13/06/2020 21:39

that the Mermaid’s response is reasoned, measured, and empathic.

But it's inaccurate and full of falsehoods. It has the veneer of measure, reason and empathy, but it's anything but.

To someone unfamiliar with the topic it seems sensible and just. Who can read a sentence 'We see no evidence that trans girls are a threat to other girls in any way.' And not come to the conclusion that those who say trans girls ARE a threat are wrong. Except of course, there's bucketloads of evidence detailing the threat of trans girls and TW to girls. Bucketloads.

Who can argue with an organisation that supports trans rights? Well no one supporting JKR says trans people shouldn't have rights either. But we disagree that those rights should mean the removal if the rights women.

'Trans women are already entitled to use the facilities that align with their gender identity, and those protections have been in place since the Equality Act 2010.' Eek - so that's a problem - it's illegal to stop trans women using facilities that align with their gender. Except of course, the EA 2010 says no such thing - in fact it says the opposite.

What about 'Since 2010, If predators have used the provisions of the Equality Act 2010 to gain access to women’s spaces, we are not aware of it, nor has evidence of such a pattern ever been cited by those who would dearly love to consolidate one of their most common attacks on trans rights. Neither has self-identification, adopted in many nations worldwide, led to abuse of systems. ' Gosh well it sounds like JKR is making a lot of fuss about nothing. Except of course, there are lots of predatory males who have done just that - all very well publicised (conveniently for you and others also listed on a MN thread - search for 'this never happens').

It's the easiest thing in the world to write a letter which appears reasonable and thoughtful when you misrepresent facts and ignore evidence to the contrary. I'd like to hope most people with some experience of the world could recognise that though. I assume you read newspapers and recognise they have particular political viewpoints and therefore don't take them at face value - do the same with Mermaids.

Leakinglikeacolander · 13/06/2020 19:45

Thanks @Gncq

Lordfrontpaw · 13/06/2020 18:07

Scott newgent (Apt name) and Cassie Curtis.

Lordfrontpaw · 13/06/2020 18:06

Cassie? I’ve seen them on twitter also Scot in the US (sorry I am crap with names).

Gncq · 13/06/2020 17:53

Are there some high profile transwomen who have a more moderate, dare I say 'woman' centred view on the whole debate

Do you mean JKR specifically or the "big debate?"

Wrt "the big debate" there's

Kristina Harrison
Debbie Hayton
Blaire White
Miranda Yardley
Fionne Orlander

Many more, but these are the transwoman I can remember who definitely get it.

They're all worth following on Twitter/looking up in general.

Melroses · 13/06/2020 17:21

drive.google.com/file/d/1jAiGCvljOb-4XgZB08JtLDikTf8FeGQH/view

The changes to the Mermaids statement.

ItsLateHumpty · 13/06/2020 17:02

Sorry @OvaHere and @bishopgiggles - totes old eyes and tired brain not processing well today! Cheers for the links and putting 2+2 together for me Blush

Blackdoggotmytonguestill · 13/06/2020 16:55

Does anyone know, out of interest, if a suspended twitter account eventually crumbles and gives the bastards their phone number, do they reinstate the deleted posts? (I was arguing with Stella Creasy - no idea if any of the unreadable stuff is mine.)
I’m so hugely irritated by this whole bloody thing.
Mermaids are absolute charlatans.

Wolfgirrl · 13/06/2020 16:55

The response from Mermaids didn't even address the heart of JK Rowling's blog, which was that trans women cannot be women because sex is real.

jhuizinga · 13/06/2020 16:49

Lord - I think the photo is of the actor who plays Cormoran Strike in the (excellent) TV dramatisation of the Robert Galbraith books, Tom Burke

ProfessorSillyStuff · 13/06/2020 16:43

Please people consider writing to your mp and requesting them to vote for Amendment 84 in pariament!

Leakinglikeacolander · 13/06/2020 16:42

Can I just ask a quick question before I go off and bury myself in various links and threads. Are there some high profile transwomen who have a more moderate, dare I say 'woman' centred view on the whole debate, whose stuff I could read?

Lordfrontpaw · 13/06/2020 16:39

I wonder who the bloke in the photo is?

Lordfrontpaw · 13/06/2020 16:38

Oh my... dabs eyes. Bill has a new follower.

Mermaids response to JK Rowling
Mermaids response to JK Rowling
bishopgiggles · 13/06/2020 16:35

It's OvaHere's post above

ItsLateHumpty · 13/06/2020 16:31

@Lordfrontpaw

Oh my. Some naughty person put up a tweet with a direct quote form JKR with the name ‘Robert Galbraith’ (is you didn’t know its a JKR pen name). Mermaids liked it.

Oh it’s too too delicious!

No! Hahahah opps. Grin

Can you post a screen shot for us lazy buggers....please Gin

Lordfrontpaw · 13/06/2020 16:29

Oh my. Some naughty person put up a tweet with a direct quote form JKR with the name ‘Robert Galbraith’ (is you didn’t know its a JKR pen name). Mermaids liked it.

Oh it’s too too delicious!

Doyoumind · 13/06/2020 15:41

What I really, really hope is that behind the scenes JKR's team are busy putting together a fact checked, full referenced response to Mermaids and that misogynistic man-talking-over-women dick Andrew Carter.

Cascade220 · 13/06/2020 15:37

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ThisIsMeOrIsIt · 13/06/2020 15:28

@doublehalo

It seems they're saying that for approximately 0.52% of the UK population that are trans

The last time I checked (which was about 3 years ago) the figure was actually 0.003%, yes that is zero point zero zero three per cent.

Even if you include all the thousands ofyoung girls who have been groomed I don't think you'd get to .5%

Thank you for clarification. I just did a quick search for numbers and it said there are between 200,000-500,000 trans people in the UK, so I used the figure of 350,000 as a mid-way point. But I didn't check the numbers, so that could be too high.
Lordfrontpaw · 13/06/2020 15:03

If it have been about trans it would have been called the trans riots. Triots. T’riots (if you are in Yorkshire)

TheRattleBag · 13/06/2020 14:52

If the Stonewall riots were all about trans..... why was it only in 2015 that Stonewall (the organisation) actively started campaigning for trans equality? Wouldn't that have been at the forefront from the start?

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