Why are the trans community blaming women for the actions of men?

It's unreal to think that all this hoo-ha has come about just because JKR said only women can menstruate.
That's a simple fact that I learned when I was about 10.

Also - the prefix 'cis' annoys me intensely and I find it offensive. The vile abuse levelled at JKR shows that misogyny is still alive and well.

The trans community does not blame women for anything

A cursory dip into Twitter this morning threw up quite a few examples of exactly that.

One TRA recounted getting a contact from a young person saying "If JKR thinks I shouldn't exist, maybe I shouldn't?" for example.

Others referred to "t*rfs" refusal to call TW women as "literal violence" and there were any number of claims that it was exactly women's refusal to do this that had caused the death of a black transwoman and that of many others.

So yes, yes they do blame women.

It's also about the inability of most people (men and women) to see the underlying structure of our society - to recognise the social structures in which we all live (sociologists would talk about ideology, I think, as opposed to day-to-day politics).

And to recognise that structure as fundamentally patriarchal.

It's not wilful ignorance: our whole political and education systems are oriented towards thinking about the individual, and ideas of free will and choice.

And it's hard recognising these structure, because it seems so big that it seems like you can do nothing to change it.

That's why "choice" feminism (or liberal feminism) has gained a lot of purchase - we can see the specific battles against specific inequalities: equal pay, maternity leave, and so on. And we need those specific equalities.

But when it comes down to it, all that does is try to squeeze women in man-shaped structures. And those structures are organised around the male body, the male life pattern, and masculinity.

And those don't work for women, whose bodies are different, whose life patterns are different, and for whom femininity is mostly a trap.

Thanks v much for at least admitting it’s everyone who you don’t view as female that’ you hate. I think I can grasp that without the benefit of a diagram. Fact is that in trans people you’ve found a vulnerable group you can focus that rage on. You’re obviously entitled to your views. I feel sad that you and others on this thread seem shaped by such bitterness and rage. But I’ve no doubt it’s personal experience that has lead you there.

@ShirleyPhallus

I just think if you look you can find idiots from every viewpoint

Then lived reality happens

Most women (of the politically active class at least) don’t do that until they’re in their 30s these days. I don’t think they really understand

young women these days are brought up in a society in which women are in a variety of roles and positions, in a way that they weren't as late as the 1970/80s. There is far more equality, in terms of opportunity and expectation.

But also, many young women are further away from the prospect of motherhood than they would once have been; and many do not even have their first child until they reach their 30's.....and increasingly many, for one reason or other, never have children.

Motherhood, and especially young motherhood, is seen as a restrictive negative: to many an educated young person who is trying to establish a career, travel the world and 'have fun'. A lot of what arises from specifically from being female; the consequences and feelings of motherhood has yet to happen.

Young women assume they'll want to get straight back to work once they have children, and will have ideals around shared childcare and housework etc. The lived reality happens.

You're almost there burgendy, the problem isn't transpeople, the problem is men. We aren't afraid of transpeople, we're afraid of men. We aren't excluding transpeople, we're excluding men. Including men with the unprovable, unscientific, offensive, and illogical belief that being a woman is a feeling anyone can have in their head. We'd like those men to stay out of our spaces as well. Not because they're trans, but because they're men. Anyone who isn't a "cis" female? There's no such thing. A "cis" female is just a female, and anyone who isn't a female is a male. I can draw you a diagram if it would help?

“Why are the trans community blaming women for the actions of men

Because the level of public discourse and informed debate is now incredibly low. In its place we have deeply partisan tribal politics, in which social media stands in for actual journalism and second hand reports are read as truth.”

This.

@emperorcovidula you’re right, young women should stick to what they know about

Why are the trans community blaming women for the actions of men

Because the level of public discourse and informed debate is now incredibly low. In its place we have deeply partisan tribal politics, in which social media stands in for actual journalism and second hand reports are read as truth.

@Burgundy1844 I really don’t think that on this issue that’s a good thing. I didn’t appreciate how much my sex mattered until I had children. Most women (of the politically active class at least) don’t do that until they’re in their 30s these days. I don’t think they really understand.

Custard I’ve no idea what men know or think and wouldn’t purport to

@Burgundy1844 congratulations on fulfilling rule number 9.
I know many mothers worried about what trans ideologists are doing and fighting for, but none who are against men.
Trans ideology is sexist, misogynistic and homophobic. Easy to get on board with, for certain types of people.

Do not call us cis. Its offensive. We do not consent to being re defined as a subset of our own sex class

The trans community does not blame women for anything

I sincerely hope and believe that it's only a certain section of activists who are exceptionally fervent in their beliefs and demands.

So many accusations of misogyny and yet the fear and loathing of men on these threads is palpable. It seems that for some trans people are an easy (and seemingly acceptable) outlet for that hatred. It’s not trans is it, it’s anyone who isn’t CIS female. To many women you just sound a bit unhinged.

Because it’s the first rule of misogyny.

The rules of misogyny

1st rule of misogyny: Women are responsible for what men do.
2nd rule of misogyny: Women saying no to men is a hate crime.
3rd rule of misogyny: Women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.
4th rule of misogyny: Women's opinions are violence against men thus male violence against women is justified.
5th rule of misogyny: WATM! Women and Feminism must be useful to men or they are worthless.
6th rule of misogyny: Women who go around being female AT men by menstruating and breast feeding babies deserve punishment.
7th rule of misogyny: Women should always be grateful to men for everything.
8th rule of misogyny: Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.
9th rule of misogyny: Men always know the "real reasons" for everything women do and say.
10th rule of misogyny: The worst thing about male violence is that it males men look bad.
11th rule of misogyny: Basic pattern recognition skills are cruel and evil when they hurt men's feelings.

12th rule of misogyny: whatever women suffer from, men suffer from more.
13th rule of misogyny: Women are not oppressed! Rape and catcalling and objectification are all compliments, not oppression.
14th rule of misogyny: Women have all the rights they need: The right to remain silent.

The trans community does not blame women for anything

Yes about the prison sentences for women being ridiculous.
Alabama wants to give women life sentences for abortion or even miscarriage.

No one in their right mind would want the actual role of a woman within society, particularly when you already have the elevated position of a man. What you might want is to adorn yourself with the trinkets of woman hood without all the grunt work. Now that makes sense!

Why are the trans community blaming women for the actions of men?

Seems to be their MO.

Have seen many comparisons made to the actions and words of some TRAs, to domestic abusers. I did see it but didn't fully appreciate it until I completed the Freedom Programme and then began reading "Why Does He Do That? Inside the Minds of Angry and Controlling Men". Now it's crystal clear.

The hope is that our lived experiences as women will inevitably lead to a deeper understanding of the need to recognise that sex as a class needs to be exclusive.