Why are the trans community blaming women for the actions of men?

I’m going to repost here a comment of mine from another thread because it broadly applies to the issues being discussed here. The conclusion stands in all matters relating to the central question here.

Please, do not feel that your wish to support those who actually need it does not match the general tone on here, as you put it. That is completely untrue. Countless women before you have been where you were, have also been where you are now, and have had to come to the same conclusion.

If we see feminism/feminists/women who post in this section as an entity on MN (whereas of course, we’re not a hive mind, this section is made up of many hundreds of individuals, each with differing opinions and nuances in our views), then we have never been anti-trans, nor transphobic. We have always addressed this issue by saying we completely support the rights of transgender people to live peacefully without fear of harm BUT absolutely not at the expense of women’s and girls’ rights and protections. That is not hateful. Women saying, no, this is not okay, is not hateful.

But as you say, there is no middle ground. And if you force me to choose, I know exactly where my line is. I will not be moved.

P.S. C** is extremely offensive. Do not call me that. I am not a subset of something that a man has decided he is. I am a woman.

It reminds me of a kid at school who was ‘American’. Actually she had an uncle who lived in the states and she was definitely not American. But she was adamant. She wanted to be American so so so much. She put on an American accent, talked as if she had just got off a plane...

Absolute dingbat.

I read a book some years back by a young transwoman and it was then I saw there is a problem cos he/she just seemed so angry to NOT be biologically female and as if it was the fault of female !!???

this author also gave a strong impression that soft flowing clothes and good hair and make up are very important.......
I am a female who has never been into clothes , make up hair in a big way and I know that is not what makes me a woman.
All the cells in my body make me a woman.
Coping with periods and the way my emotions rise and fall.....etc
plus the way society treats me and the way men look at me.......all these have gone into my perception of myself.

Perhaps these TW people are jealous of the male gaze on biological women??? ( I hate it )

''Women have very little idea of how much men hate them...men do not themselves know the depths of their hatred''
Germaine Greer - The Female Eunuch.

@Burgundy1844 well it’s better than inadvertently screwing themselves over. If you haven’t experienced the full consequences of your sex how can you possibly understand why it is/isn’t important? Young childless (intending time remain that way for the foreseeable future) telling more experienced women they are right and everyone else should listen to them is the equivalent of a white person who has seen racism because they have a black partner/best friend/whatever that they understand racism better than a person of colour.

Women will never know quite how much men hate them.

Yes. Sadly they will learn with time. Especially if things continue as they have been. Very soon there will be no rights in law for them to point to, no safe spaces left for them to shelter in, and none of the people they ally themselves with will fight for them when the chips are down.

So you’ve told me what I believe and why and now I have to engage in a more thoughtful way. This must be the feminist version of mansplaining. No thanks. Enjoy your weekends*

Astonishing!

I've just explained how I view it...but you are not open to that...and typically have no response. Why don't you campaign for third spaces, if equality, democracy and dignity for all is your real goal?

Because most of the ‘trans community’ as far as I can see, are very definitely male and very definitely acting to type

There are plenty of female allies though, I've encountered them outside of conferences and events. Most often young women who have yet to really encounter what it means to be female in the way that many of us have.

So you’ve told me what I believe and why and now I have to engage in a more thoughtful way. This must be the feminist version of mansplaining. No thanks. Enjoy your weekends!

Because most of the ‘trans community’ as far as I can see, are very definitely male and very definitely acting to type.

*Some women. I for example do not believe this wrt trans people. But it’s my personal view and you have the right to yours8

And so for the purposes of democracy and in everyone's best interests, why don't you campaign for third spaces...rather than trying to force your way in, while screaming hatred and violence and abuse. Can you not see the irony.

Do you also realise many BAME women would not be able to access many public spaces and services if males were permitted into them?

Ok Burgundy1844 - you don't feel that you need female only spaces. Nor do I although I prefer them.

But can you see that you shouldn't be giving them away when other women do need them? You aren't able to consent on behalf of others.

Justhadathought I am listening but I don’t agree with you

What exactly do you disagree with? Rather than posting guns at dawn emojis try to engage in a more thoughtful way.

In this time of BLM, and attempts to examine colonial pasts, it seems ironic that the trans movement is seeking to colonise womanhood; re-define what a woman is; enforce language change; eradicate the indigenous language and freedom to discuss one's condition; de-centre the natives and impose violent repression on anyone who disagrees.

Quite astonishing this major blind spot, and inability to think and see laterally the equivalences of different types of colonisation and oppression.

We appreciate it Burgundy. Freedom of speech is a very important thing and the right to express a personal opinion on every matter.

Justhadathought I am listening but I don’t agree with you 🤷‍♀️

“ Women want and need to retain their single sex spaces, services and sports for reasons of privacy, dignity, comfort as well as safety.“

Some women. I for example do not believe this wrt trans people. But it’s my personal view and you have the right to yours.

I feel sad that you and others on this thread seem shaped by such bitterness and rage

You aren't really listening or understanding, are you. You seem to just want black and white certainty. I know it is motivated by some sort idealism. Most of us have been there. But your idealism is misguided and naive.

why don't you campaign for third spaces? Instead of seeking to colonise women's spaces, services and sports. If you did that then you would be no issue. Everyone could then get behind every person's right to a job, housing and freedom from violence and abuse.

But you cannot force your way in to another's space.

Thanks v much for at least admitting it’s everyone who you don’t view as female that’ you hate

I'm not sure where you that that from? I haven't read the whole thread, but hatred is not what motivates most women who are critical of transgender ideology.

Hatred is what seems to be coming from the opposite direction, to be frank. Reams of it. Shouting and screaming outside of conferences of established professionals and others involved in women's organisations' foul on-line abuse and attempts to lose people their livelihoods and jobs. Targeting anyone who disagrees that TWAW.

There is a total lack of nuanced or informed discussion. Purely tribalistic oppositional politics of the sort that denies the possibility of disagreement.

Women want and need to retain their single sex spaces, services and sports for reasons of privacy, dignity, comfort as well as safety. Women require single sex sports too, i order to excel and have fair competition. that's about it.

Not sure what rights trans people don't already have. we all have equal civil rights under the law - certainly in Britain. what you seem to want is additional rights to others, and to centre trans rights ahead of women's rights.

Looking forward to evidence of where I said I "hate" anyone who isn't female burgendy. Or did I actually say that I and most other women have reason to fear people who aren't female, to not want them in our sex segregated spaces, and to not centre them in our feminism. I know it's easier to address a straw man but is there any chance of you responding to what people have actually written?

The trans community does not blame women for anything

So who are all the people spewing vicious hate of the "Choke on my girl dick"* kind to J K Rowling?

• There are thousands of examples of this discourse: aimed at Ms Rowling, aimed at many women. I've experienced that onslaught myself - although I count myself lucky I never received death or rape threats. Just an attempt to get me sacked.

There is no rage being focused on trans people. There is rage from trans people on women, however. Men being statistically more dangerous, is not women hating men.
Women are human beings, there are so many unique things in the experience of being girls and women, both in the UK and across the globe. As human beings, we deserve dignity and privacy from males. Fairness in sports. It makes me sick, men are creating new women’s world records, taking women’s awards and places in political parties.

As Posie Parker/Kellie-Jay said, this entire thing only works if women aren’t human. Woman is not achieved by dresses, a feminine name or whatever other mystified sexist stereotypes are”living as a woman”, but the name for an adult human female.

Are there as many young people leading women’s rights?

Funny how it’s younger people who are leading on the environment, leading on BLM leading on trans rights and on so many other issues

You haven't been very observant if all you see is "young people" - do a google for bell hooks or Cornel West.