Why are the trans community blaming women for the actions of men?

Well as always please report any transphobia

As we all know 'transphobia' equates purely to disagreement and resistance to colonisation

Everyone is free to campaign for their own provisions.

It is they that are the aggressors

I imagine people won’t engage because they consider the kinds of views expressed on these threads to be akin to racism or climate denial

You're right, people won't engage at all. There is a cult like adherence to an ideology that permits no question. And as has been evidenced on this forum for many years, the trans allies that appear have no ability to debate; refuse to engage; hide behind no-platforming; are unable to respond in logical fashion to any point raised.

i think this is what has become of our culture in recent times. a real dumbing down: safe spaces: trigger warnings: no-platforming: cancel culture...and the adherents have lost the ability to debate; and lost the ability to empathise with others who disagree.

That is what we are dealing with. So, please refrain from false accusations of hated, ignorance and refusal to engage.

As I've suggested several times...to no response from yourself...Why don't you campaign for third spaces? nobody here is motivated by hate, but by self preservation and a sense of dignity. We don't believe or accept that it is possible to change sex; and we think sex matters and has consequences in multiple ways. We stand for the protection of women's spaces, services and sports, and for the right of women everywhere for the dignity, privacy and safety that has long been fought for...and is not yours to take away.

There is only conflict because one group is trying to colonise the spaces and understandings of another group. It they that are the aggressors.

Third spaces are the only way forward.

Well as always please report any transphobia.

I imagine people won’t engage because they consider the kinds of views expressed on these threads to be akin to racism or climate denial - Some views are considered so abhorrent its best not to engage and give it publicity. That might change if your views start to get taken seriously in which case they will have to be confronted properly (and not through abuse on Twitter). That’s a battle for another day.

You can't have debate, when there is a cancel culture; when people get no-platformed; when you are told there is no debate possible. You have to accept what you are being told and shut up.

There's been no debate in parliament, either - about the GRA The only time a slight window of possibility for debate opened was during the Labour leadership campaign... ( after years of hard work trying to information into then public domain by GC women ( & men)and what we were told is there is no debate TWAW and that's that.

No I think there’s a lack of informed debate on both sides. Disgusting social media comments by some TRAs countered by war rhetoric and the utterly daft “we see you” stuff

In fact, there is an awful lot of informed debate....but it is only coming from women's/& GC groups.

Over the last few years there have been numerous conferences, events & discussions taking place all around the country; at which manyvery well informed people have spoken, and attended. People who have identified as trans themselves, in the past; who identify as trans currently; parents of trans identified teenagers; the wives of AGP now trans identified men; professionals working in gender services; people working in various fields with direct knowledge and experience of exactly what they are talking about.

what they find when they turn up, having travelled often the length of the country to get there, is that trans activists have managed to get the venue to cancel; or they are met with screaming abuse; kicking windows; storming doors.

This is the reality of the debate. the position of the trans lobby in no debate They act like an invading colonial force, and care not one bit about the needs of women and girls.

My ex literally told me that it's not the same as a guy hurting me. Constantly asked me "what are you gonna do when you cant claim a mans hitting you cuz no one cares about two women fighting".

If more police forces actually looked at a lot of the timings some of these mem "come out" theyd find it coincides with them wanting to deflect from crimes they know are viewed as "worse" or that women cant be convicted of.

Trans activists dont care about the violence women face because they are not women themselves.

It is interesting any aggression towards trans people is described as transphobic and not misogyny/misandry according to their chosen gender, if you see what I mean, even though they themselves want to be seen as a real 'man' or 'woman' without the trans prefix.

The fact they cannot see WHY we don't want to share some facilities with them PROVES they are not women, and do not live an authentic life as a woman. If they had to put up with half the shit from men that we do, they would get it, wouldn't they?

Because even though men are responsible for world atrocities, rape and murder, apparently women are to blame. It's the easy way out for them and we're not allowed to name the problem. The womb envy is strong with these lot. They call themselves women, but hate women at the same time. It doesn't make any sense but then again, men don't make much sense because all they do is NAMALT and "wOmEn ArE jUsT aS bAd" all over the place even when that's BS.

The "logical" and "rational" sex, everyone...or so they like to think. The only way women can be free is if we collectively decide to have nothing to do with men. Obviously that would be hard, but it's the only way. The testeria is unbelievable. By the way, I'm 23. So please don't lose faith in younger women.

Since you're back Burgundy, what about answering the questions I asked you earlier?

If you agree with 'trans' people not being excluded from women's single sex spaces, services and sports, where do you draw the line between people who are trans and people who are not? Is Karen White a 'trans person'? He said he was. How do you tell the difference between someone who is 'trans' and someone who is pretending to be? What does 'trans' mean to you, given that the Stonewall trans umbrella includes nearly everyone?

The vast majority of the trans community do not know what a terf is. Considering there arent thousands of trans people asking what a terf is I think it's safe to say it's the TRAs and the reason they blame us is because they cant accept anything about themselves.

Instead of accepting this they push this fight because then they can wallow about not being accepted instead of facing up to the fact they're deeply insecure and nothing but hard work and therapy will fix it.

This is an unwinnable argument. They know that. They need it to be unwinnable because if they win they have nothing to cry about anymore and will have to admit they need acceptance from themselves. That's too much like hard work and responsibility.

Vulnerable? How could such a vulnerable group have the muscle to torpedo a FGM bill in Wyoming? Or get into schools, police services, big business? Get Pride to be a whole month? To push their way into IWD? To convince the UK-women that males can be women?

Vulnerable my arse.

Fact is that in trans people you’ve found a vulnerable group you can focus that rage on

Can you please explain how adult heterosexual males with no dysphoria, yet call themselves women and tell us to sick their dicks if we don't like it, are "vulnerable"?
Young impressionable teens being used to push a political agenda, yes, very vulnerable.

There's no hate about then? Can we please dump the hate crime legislation and the stop funding hate campaigns please? That's very 21st century, didn't exist 50 years ago.

If you’re looking for the 1970s then stick with the relentless posts about how much men hate us. Honestly it’s deluded.

No I think there’s a lack of informed debate on both sides. Disgusting social media comments by some TRAs countered by war rhetoric and the utterly daft “we see you” stuff. Don’t make me laugh 😂

Burgundy posting on a feminist chat board to tell women they are man haters. Takes me back to the 1970s it does.

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What's your point? You agree the level of public discourse is low but you offer zero input on the thread topic which is, helpfully, a question.
This screenshot suggests you agree that trans activists blame women for men's actions because of a lack of informed debate. Is that your position?

“We see you” 😂 do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?!

Yes. I engage only for the sake of any woman who might be at the start of this journey of reading and thinking and learning. Every person that sees and understands is another small victory won.

And to those who are driving, supporting or otherwise part of the problem, and forcing us to engage in this war,

We see you.

Some posters never tire of distracting so that women are forced to engage in the same arguments over and over again to justify why we should even be allowed to talk about these issues.

“ Women want and need to retain their single sex spaces, services and sports for reasons of privacy, dignity, comfort as well as safety.“

Some women. I for example do not believe this wrt trans people. But it’s my personal view and you have the right to yours.

If you agree with 'trans' people not being excluded from women's single sex spaces, services and sports, where do you draw the line between people who are trans and people who are not? Is Karen White a 'trans person'? He said he was. How do you tell the difference between someone who is 'trans' and someone who is pretending to be? What does 'trans' mean to you, given that the Stonewall trans umbrella includes nearly everyone?

Ask why men refused access to women’s spaces get quite so furious. Why would a male want to be in with women, when he knows that he will frighten and intimidate them ? Could it be that the intimidation is part of the thrill ?

I was a radical feminist right from my teenage years because I grew up terrified by domestic violence, but even without that I was absolutely sick as a teenager and in my 20s of not being able to go about my business without being constantly harassed, catcalled, groped, followed etc. by men. I know that still goes on, and I find it difficult to understand how women don't see this as the result of a deeply sexist society.