Why are the trans community blaming women for the actions of men?

The trans community does not blame women for anything

Are you the spokesman for the "trans community"?

Can we consult you on all related matters?

not the aggressive,attention seeking trans

Bull. I'm thinking 1980's and the AGP's were just as horrible as they are now.

TehBewilderness.
Sorry my back in the day was before Clymer was born and they were few and far between and not the aggressive,attention seeking trans we get today pissing on our toilet floors and really out to aggressively harass women.
I don't think that women get more radical with age they are just no longer seeking approval for their actions.With age comes the ability to give less of a shit as to what others think about your actions.

Ageism, along with sexism, is the acceptable ism of 2020.

Sorry, I see the conversation has moved on but I really want to take issue with this sweeping statement: With age comes maturity” but often also racism, climate denial, transphobia and the rest

How fucking dare you!

I'm 67, not one of my ageing friends and relatives has suddenly turned into a racist, climate denier or transphobe.

My 77 year-old old sister has gone to jail more than once for protesting climate change.

Actually, I hated the entitlement of men who thought they were women and used women's spaces even back in the day. Just because I didn't say anything about it, because I was scared of the narc male rage, didn't mean I didn't 'think much of it'. I used to get hit on by AGP men, and I hated it. It was outright sleaze under a mask of 'all girls'.

Yranspeople have been around for a long time,been allowed in women's spaces quietly and without fuss for years.
Women didn't think much of it and didn't vent their rage on this group.
Many people today who call themselves trans haven't transitioned into anything just wear different clothes and makeup but with a lot less pazazz than Bowie and BoyGeorge encouraged back in the day.
Now living as a woman for transwomen is all about fashion and sex which is such a tiny part of being a women.
And thinking about why they seem to hate older women,I think it is because we all grow older and we older women are not what the younger transwomen aspire to be.

I think they all have mother complexes.

It's why they're all getting off on JKR hate. Symbolic matricide.

Basically a whole stack of screwed up men in a society that paints a bright red target on the backs of women to distract from the male ninja creeping up behind you.

Which is a weird metaphor, need more coffee.

Front page of the Sunday Times tomorrow, can't make the article out though.

Burgundy

Loathing violent men who issue a non stop stream of sexualised abuse and death threats is a perfectly natural response. Are you here expecting women to be forgiving of them. We are not in church you know? Are you in a pulpit telling us to accept abuse with forgiveness? You are certainly giving that message.

If those disgusting tweets had been aimed at a female MP, and made by 'cis' men, everyone would be calling it sexist filth and rightly so.

I haven't even seen a mention of those comments in the news. Nobody seems willing to admit there is a very ugly and aggressive undertone to the trans lobby, and they're not all the fragile and delicate acting trans women we see on breakfast shows, facing down the mean radical feminists.

No deletions on this thread, so obviously no transphobia

It’s funny isn’t it @OldCrone anyone would think we’re being rational and discussing disagreements respectfully. Which must be impossible as we’re all such wicked —witches— transphobes

10th rule of misogyny: The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.

Transgender advocacy maintains the social hierarchy while redefining homophobia and misogyny as progressive.

Of course we sound unhinged. We are talking about the systemic misogyny in every aspect of society. Naming the problem of male violence is considered far worse than the problem itself

Thankyou CatandtheFiddle I have
No deletions on this thread, so obviously no transphobia. So why are you refusing to answer any questions on here Burgundy?

Thankyou @CatandtheFiddle I have smile

Better that eh, than engage with the actual substance of the conflict.

Ive not made any accusations that you’ve refused to engage. Quite the opposite - you’re clearly desperate to engage, but people won’t for the reasons I mentioned above. It must be very frustrating

Can I just say; I'm not desperate. But I am committed.

As for frustration, when you have been a political campaigner in one form or other for decades, you get used to the 'long game'. What I, and others, have learned is that there is little point trying to engage with trans activists. They simply know nothing other than cancellation, abuse, and no debate. The apotheosis of identity politics.

We realise that it is in the court of public opinion that daylight and justice will eventually come. That and a commitment to challenge every decision, and to take things to court when, and if, necessary.

Hatred and abuse is one way. What JK Rowling and many others have been subject to is disgusting. The violence is all one way. The threats of violence don't come from GC women, they come from the trans activists. Naked hatred and aggression.

Like this (just in case anyone hasn't seen it).

More here.
medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-activists-a-story-in-screenshots-78e01dca68d

Thankyou @CatandtheFiddle I have

“So, please refrain from false accusations of hated, ignorance and refusal to engage.”

Ive not made any accusations that you’ve refused to engage. Quite the opposite - you’re clearly desperate to engage, but people won’t for the reasons I mentioned above. It must be very frustrating.

For what it’s worth I agree entirely with you on this statement:

“ Hatred and abuse is one way. What JK Rowling and many others have been subject to is disgusting. The violence is all one way. The threats of violence don't come from GC women, they come from the trans activists.”

Although I suspect that there is a fair amount of hatred in some posters. Sometimes it is hard to separate fear from loathing.

Yes, @Burgundy1844 please report transphobia. It shouldn't be allowed to remain on MN.

Some views are considered so abhorrent its best not to engage and give it publicity.

What abhorrent views have you seen here? Is it abhorrent to say that people can't change sex? Is it abhorrent to say that it's child abuse to teach children that they can change sex? Is it abhorrent to say that men should be kept out of women-only spaces and women's sports?

And you still haven't answered the questions I've asked you twice @Burgundy1844.

Here they are again:

If you agree with 'trans' people not being excluded from women's single sex spaces, services and sports, where do you draw the line between people who are trans and people who are not? Is Karen White a 'trans person'? He said he was. How do you tell the difference between someone who is 'trans' and someone who is pretending to be? What does 'trans' mean to you, given that the Stonewall trans umbrella includes nearly everyone?

That might change if your views start to get taken seriously in which case they will have to be confronted properly (and not through abuse on Twitter). That’s a battle for another day

This battle is ongoing and gathering strength, It is only when people have information that they can be informed. And when there is a black-out on information that makes it difficult. this is what we have been up against.

I reckon it is going to take a couple of decades to unravel the and un-pick this ideology; as the negative impacts and consequences become more apparent. But be in no doubt, we are 100% committed.

Hatred and abuse is one way. What JK Rowling and many others have been subject to is disgusting. The violence is all one way. The threats of violence don't come from GC women, they come from the trans activists. Naked hatred and aggression.