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US policy shift - Dept. Of Health and Human Services defines gender as a person's biological sex.

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yourethecomebackkid · 13/06/2020 00:43

Love how they can’t help
themselves from framing it as an attack but this appears significant - apnews.com/bae1456be55955aab379a3541391f93b?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

‘The Department of Health and Human Services said it will enforce sex discrimination protections “according to the plain meaning of the word ‘sex’ as male or female and as determined by biology.” This rewrites an Obama-era regulation that sought a broader understanding shaped by a person’s internal sense of being male, female, neither or a combination.‘

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RuffleCrow · 13/06/2020 11:38

As for the abortion bit, our own 1967 abortion act also contains a clause where staff can refuse to treat someone on grounds of religious belief.

testing987654321 · 13/06/2020 11:37

Is that really true? That in the US doctors can refuse to treat people who are dying? For religious reasons because they don't agree with their lifestyle?

LindaLeeDanvers · 13/06/2020 11:36

@RuffleCrow the law allows doctors to refuse to treat any member of the LGBT community or someone they perceive to be a member of that community on religious grounds, it is not just trans people this change in the law affects it affects sexual orientation as well.

It is a wide ranging law that he has rolled back that protected the whole LGBT community, So doctor's can refuse to treat lesbians and gay men and bisexuals as well as trans people.

charlestonchaplin · 13/06/2020 11:34

Without further information from a reputable source I have to say that I believe you to not only be scaremongering, Linda, but smearing people of faith. I can’t see why any religious doctor would specifically refuse a lesbian treatment, unless you’re talking about some sort of fertility treatment, which wouldn’t be an emergency.

RuffleCrow · 13/06/2020 11:33

I don't think so @LindaLeeDanvers unless you think lesbian women are male? Why wouldn't they just treat her according to her sex like any other woman?

LindaLeeDanvers · 13/06/2020 11:33

@InfiniteSheldon they can't sack them, as they are following the law. The family can't sue them for wrongful death as they were following the law. In fact the new law screws over the LGBT community and anyone who does not conform to gender norms and could be suspected of being LGBT even if they are not.

RedHoodGirl · 13/06/2020 11:31

The new rule also provides a blanket exemption to health providers who refuse to provide abortion services because of their religious beliefs.

InfiniteSheldon · 13/06/2020 11:31

They won't keep there job long if that very stretched logic scenario actually ever happens. Good on the USA for defining sex as biological a huge step forward in protecting women and girls.

LindaLeeDanvers · 13/06/2020 11:28

Under Obama's law the doctor had to treat them regardless to any objections, now Trump has removed that so doctors can freely discriminate.

So as i said you can have a woman who looks like a butch lesbian but is married with children involved in a car accident and because the doctor thinks she looks like a lesbian refuses to treat her and lets her die instead.

PurpleCrowbarWhereIsLangCleg · 13/06/2020 11:21

If I was an American doctor prior to this with a religious objection to treating gay people, would that have been seen as legitimate? Or is it part of this new ruling?

LindaLeeDanvers · 13/06/2020 11:17

@334bu yes they can, if the doctor has a legitimate religious objection to treating that patient because they appear to be gay or they suspect that they are trans then they can refuse to treat them even if they have insurance.

334bu · 13/06/2020 10:18

Had a quick look online and it would appear that as LGBT community are not protected I. the same way as in UK this will mean that Insurance providers can deny cover for
GR surgery as can medical professionals. Not sure about other treatment such as emergency medicine. Us HealthcareSad!

LindaLeeDanvers · 13/06/2020 10:14

The doctor does not even need to know they only have to suspect that they are a lesbian so a gender non-conformist woman with short hair who is actually in a hetrosexual relationship with children but looks like a butch lesbian could be refused treatment.

The law states that they dont need evidence of their sexuality only a belief that they are. So it's totally subjective and down to the doctor in question they can suspect someone is gay and refuse to treat them. That is all they need, a suspicion.

TheChestnutCafe · 13/06/2020 08:55

@lindaleedanvers

How would the doctor know their patient was a lesbian in your scenario?

334bu · 13/06/2020 08:52

Can you explain this a bit more. Can doctors in the US refuse to give life saving treatment to people who turn up at hospital with health insurance?

LindaLeeDanvers · 13/06/2020 08:21

It also covers all LGBTQ pwople, so while you might think this is a great thing it also gives doctors the right to refuse medical treatment to a lesbian woman who is laying dying on the table after being beaten up because of the doctors religious belief.

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