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Fact Check: Rowling right that hormones or surgery not required for legal gender change

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stumbledin · 12/06/2020 23:50

Pink News tried to make out JK Rowlings was lying.

Fact Check decided to see who was right.

And of course she was!

But PN haven't apologised to her - what a surprise.

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-rowling-right-that-hormones-or-surgery-not-required-for-legal-gender-change

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roziro · 13/06/2020 22:47
  1. The GRPB extended the definition of woman to include transwomen with or without a GRC. A person needs to be ‘living as a woman’, but not for any minimum period. No declaration is required, nor are organisations required to verify that a person a ‘living as a woman’.
Copied from above link. How can you demonstrate that you 'live as a woman' when the definition of woman includes men.
roziro · 13/06/2020 22:44

Read the link FantaOra?

FantaOra · 13/06/2020 22:33

The definition of woman changed to mean title on utility bills.

roziro · 13/06/2020 22:00

twitter.com/forwomenscot/status/1271906214511874048?s=21
This is the state of affairs in Scotland. Definition of woman extended to include trans women.

FantaOra · 13/06/2020 21:52

Such a nasty little man. This is one of the very few women ever that have earned a billion from her own talent, and little cretinous men like him are running around in a rage because she has said women have rights. He's no different to medieval men that wanted Ann Boleyn and Catherine Howard's heads chopped off for a man, and men who didn't want women to have the vote because they were too stupid. He's one of those men. Same old shit, different century.

SarahTancredi · 13/06/2020 21:46

It implies that not only is it a bad thing, but that PN and others haven't been actively campaigning to make it even 'worse'

Potential "oh shit" moment coming up soon maybe?

1000umbrellas · 13/06/2020 21:27

It implies that not only is it a bad thing, but that PN and others haven't been actively campaigning to make it even 'worse'.

YellowHats · 13/06/2020 18:38

Its a bit of an own goal really isnt it

Expressing shock and horror at JK Rowlings 'lie', sort of suggests that if it were true it is a bad thing. And it is true..

stumbledin · 13/06/2020 17:11

Since June 7th (5 days), Pink News has written 40 articles about JK Rowling, 37 with her name in the headline.

This is harassment, plain and simple, and a warning to other women not to speak.

tweet from Glinner with images to illustrate twitter.com/Glinner/status/1271382166333804545

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MaleficentsCrow · 13/06/2020 14:54

I've used that article to share on my Facebook to finally come out as GC.

I'm expecting a full woke backlash but no, as a woman who works with the most vulnerable women of society I'm standing my ground. As a once competitive figure skater, I'm standing my ground for all the young girls and women I have coached to have a fair sport and a fair chance.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 13/06/2020 09:22

Reading the last quote in the full fact article, they have also managed to convince themselves that their beliefs mean they can access full information about transition but the average JK Rowling blog reader should have 'simplified' lies instead.

It reminds me of Martin Luther ripping out entire books of the bible so nobody would be encouraged into lewd or violent behaviour.

Very weird sense of their own critical thinking abilities compared to others.

FantaOra · 13/06/2020 09:15

The whole trans bandwagon is full of not very bright people. It seems to make them feel intelligent though, which is why so much of their rubbish is plastered everwhere for people to read incredulously.

PronounssheRa · 13/06/2020 08:14

Here is one of Ryan John Butchers tweets. He has been berating anyone who doesn't agree with TWAW, when he doesn't have the first clue what he is talking about.

I suspect he isn't the only one.

Fact Check: Rowling right that hormones or surgery not required for legal gender change
Clymene · 13/06/2020 07:17

Doubt it. 80% of men who transition retain their penis. and surgery means any kind of surgery - a lot of men have facial feminisation surgery and that's considered 'surgery'

FreiasBathtub · 13/06/2020 06:42

Given that they are so fast and loose with the truth, I'd love a source for their assertion that it's vanishingly rare for people go acquire a GRC without hormones and surgery. Is there one?

Clymene · 13/06/2020 06:02

The GRA has been putting women's safety at risk ever since it became law: gendercriticalwoman.wordpress.com/2019/08/11/how-long-has-this-been-going-on/

Kinsters · 13/06/2020 04:35

FantaOra the GRA consultation still hasn't been published, right?

Facts really don't matter. That "rebuttal" Twitter thread of JKRs essay doing the rounds is so devoid of facts but noone gives a shit.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 13/06/2020 03:24

I think PN aren’t playing with a full deck. JKR is a very bright woman. She is also very high profile and extremely wealthy and aware that those things make her a target. Do PN think she wouldn’t use her resources for proper research? She likely has a research assistant. And I’d imagine her legal people went through it as well, before publication. She didn’t write it on a napkin while waiting in the bus queue.

Gingerkittykat · 13/06/2020 03:00

Does it point out that under the proposed self ID legislation there is not even a need for any diagnosis or dysphoria. You just sign that you have been living as the opposite sex for 3 months.

Most of the public think trans means hormones and surgery for people too distressed with their body to live within it. Of course that is true for some people but now there is not even need for dysphoria.

NotBadConsidering · 13/06/2020 02:24

Well of course Pink News don’t do facts. They’re trying to convince us that “living as a man” includes being pregnant and having a baby.

Aesopfable · 13/06/2020 02:13

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo I get your point but am not sure why it was directed at me? I was asking why does their fact-checker check government guidelines against mermaids and not the other way round?

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 13/06/2020 01:26

Aseop

A government spokesperson told FactCheck: “You do not have to be taking hormones or planning to get surgery to get a GRC, but you do need to have an approved medical practitioner diagnose you as having gender dysphoria, and have lived in your new gender for two years.

Does "suck my d*k" ,"drink my morning p*s, sound like dysphoria?
How do you prove you have being living as a "woman for two years".
I lived in London a few years ago,I gave false names and received bills in that name,is it still that easy?

FantaOra · 13/06/2020 00:36

Sure, I've seen him attacking LGB alliance, he's a nasty man.
Fortunately the GRA is not going to be changed by people like him.

stumbledin · 13/06/2020 00:36

If it wasn't so desparately horrible you would laugh.

Is it just simply that the trans agenda has made it legitimate to hate and abuse women and appear virtuous.

It hs become like a contagion.

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