Celeb supporters of jkr

The problem is that whilst Twitter is a woke cesspit of shitty and nonsensical screeching, what happens there does to some extent potential drive what happens IRL. So whilst it’s easy to say oh it doesn’t matter, you need to think of it as a Trojan horse of sorts. We can’t allow it to go unchallenged.

We reside in real life, where absolute principles like biological fact and material reality do still rule when it comes down to it. That definitely is always to our advantage. But we still cannot afford to be complacent.

Evanna Lynch (Luna Lovegood) posted in support of JK yesterday. She said that while she didn't agree with her views, JK was her friend and a good person who has done lots of good for children, charities etc. She go so much abuse she deleted her Twitter account.

I don't think she's been mentioned on here but I'm fairly sure the author Linda Grant has spoken out in favour of women and girls' rights in the past with regards to trans activism. I'm not sure if she's said anything on this though.
Kate Long is another author who has spoken out on this.

I got a spew of rage from an ex student. All the buzzwords. I skim read it to the point where she said she was deleting me and simply wished her well.

Has anyone posted anything on facebook and received any backlash.

I commented on a post from a friend congratulating DR and calling JK transphobic. Now I am being educated...

Jameela Jamil is most famous for acting in 'The Good Place', and has a huge following on twitter. Enthusiastic adopter of causes, but told by her followers to 'educate' herself with relative frequency

eu.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2019/10/09/mark-ruffalo-more-stars-slam-ellen-degeneres-support-george-bush/3926734002/

Wow! That article about Degeneres friendship with George Bush and the various hostile responses to it is quite something.I honestly despair for the years to come, in terms of public discourse, and sense it is only going to get even more febrile than it already is.

I'm another one who has no idea who this Comerford bloke is. He hasn't made the best impression so far.

I don't even know, for example, who this Jameela person is, or Adrian Comerford.

Jameela Jamil is most famous for acting in 'The Good Place', and has a huge following on twitter. Enthusiastic adopter of causes, but told by her followers to 'educate' herself with relative frequency.

eu.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2019/10/09/mark-ruffalo-more-stars-slam-ellen-degeneres-support-george-bush/3926734002/

No idea what Adrian Comerford does off twitter, or whether he has the time to do anything else.

Outside of twitter most people don't have a clue about what is going on. That is why when articles do appear in newspapers the general public wonders what on earth all of this 'fuss' is about.

The ideological take-over has meant that there has been no real public discussion or awareness of the issues; and that extends, for example, to male crimes being reported in newspapers as female crimes. It also means that there is no awareness of what the GRA is or what it implies.

People are also unaware of what is going on in schools, or the guidance being given to many other children's and youth organisations. People really are oblivious.

When you spend a lot of time on twitter, you exist in relatively narrow circles....and it must be tempting to think the whole country is aware of the issues you speak of.

I don't even know, for example, who this Jameela person is, or Adrian Comerford. Who are they? What do they do? How would I know of them? I guess one of the main problems we have is that young people, especially, exist on & through social media. They don't look at or read mainstream news. They exist in carefully chosen social worlds of their own fancy. It totally trivialises and tribalises political debate

Also would ther be any point in lobbying certain people such as Greta Thunberg or Caitlin Moran?

I'm wary of putting pressure on people to join a team.

All I want is for people to agree that there is a discussion to be had - that we should be able to talk about women's rights without abuse or risk to livelihood.

Aidan Comerford is unbelievably creepy and deranged. A while ago he wrote a short story that was supposed to be a sympathetic account of a woman remembering a sexual assault. But it ended up sounding more like a pervy rape fantasy and even some of his woke friends backed off from him. I don't think he has any real friends in Ireland any more, and he just casts his net all over Twitter hoping that someone famous will respond to him. I was dismayed to see Alison Moyet answer him, honestly Alison, not worth it!

Melissa Harrison? I am delighted to hear it - All Among The Barley was brilliant, one of the best books I have read all year. Thoroughly recommend.

I very much agreed with that article by Alex Massie, particularly

"But there is another group, some of whom we might call ‘trans allies’ and others who might best be characterised as ‘part-time’ or ‘lifestyle’ trans-people, whose voices often seem to be heard more than those of, if you will, actual trans-people themselves. These men – for if it is not always men it usually seems to be men – frequently display an intolerance so extreme it is reminiscent of a mindset always evident in the early days of a movement seeking to establish a joyously authoritarian regime."

I'm not concerned about changes to rules and practices because I think men will pretend to be trans. I am concerned about men who will use the concept of gender identity to abuse, oppress and control women, because there is no longer any objective definition of sex or trans.

No more quick escapes to the loo, because you can be followed by anyone, and if you question their gender identity you are the oppressor.

Ha! Middle aged. Not sure of the purchasing power of women in the middle ages.

Just ordered 'Rain' by Melissa Harrison. Looks interesting, not something I would normally pick up.

I don't have twitter anymore, but if anyone's willing to let her know her support of JK just secured her one sale, and quite probably a few repeats (I like buying books) that'd be good. I do think that reminding people of the purchasing power of middle ages women is a rather good idea.

Going to buy a Melissa Harrison book now.

India Knight,

And also via India Knight twitter, Melissa Harrison who I hadn't heard of before, but has written some award winning books:

"Melissa's second novel, At Hawthorn Time (also Bloomsbury) was shortlisted for the Costa Novel of the Year award, longlisted for the Baileys Women's Prize for Fiction and the Encore Award; it was a Book of the Year in The Telegraph and chosen as a 'best summer read' by A.S. Byatt in The Observer."

Off to do some shopping.

www.amazon.co.uk/Melissa-Harrison/e/B00BE3V65A%3Fref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

Astonishingly the Standing for Women FB group (run by Posie I believe) is public and I've not seen any attacks there. Possibly it's heavily monitored though.

The good thing about FB is that you can censor your groups and own timeline to delete ugly attacks. I don't think you can do that on Twitter -- you have to delete the initial tweet to delete the attacks, right?

On FB you can review posts even before they go through, and accept or reject them. It's so more civil than Twitter. You can clean up your own timeline from melt-downs and pitchfork attacks

Noma Dumezweni, as in the MN thread I just posted. Already she had to take down her supportive tweet. < not at her, at the TRAs that attacked her tweet.

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Sorry that didn't come out well - I was posting the list of blue ticks to just indicate it was very short, and that I wouldn't have otherwise known about the controversy, not that I expected those particular blue ticks to necessarily say anything. I needed to follow more people if i wanted a better overview of what is happening on twitter. I'm aware he had just come out of hospital and is only just starting posting again, and would have expected any comment from him at all. (Others on the list I would actually be interested in their views, but again, I don't necessarily expect them to comment). It was more a point about how if you aren't following the right people, you might have missed it all, even on twitter.

Isn’t it the case that many journalists are also young?

I suspect there is truth to that but I wonder whey a greater source of bias is that most journalists (for major outlets) are posh. It's very hard to get into journalism these days without connections, cultural capital and the money to work for free for a while.

Privilege (in the traditional sense) is a great insulator from reality.

@Tootletum of course not. Anti-trans would be wanting to deny them rights purely because they are trans. Not because in doing so it would severely compromise the rights of another oppressed group. The answer to this is surely to have male, female, and gender neutral toilets for trans people to share. If a trans woman didnt want to share with a trans man, why should we women be expected to share with a trans woman? Isnt the logic exactly the same?

I can't find anything from Gillan Martin supporting JKR. She made a generic comment about the headline being triggering to victims of domestic abuse,which got her into The Guardian and BBC News , but nothing specific about JKR.

Probably Dido - that’s the SNP borg problem...

Message topical podcasters and ask them to discuss it.

In my search for anyone talking about it I actually found a podcast from December 2019 where Des Bishop talks about JK and from what I could stand to listen to he was against her and explaining what a TERF is, needless to say he's gone on my list of enemies!