Celeb supporters of jkr

@revl are any of us anti trans though, purely for agreeing with the opinions JKR has stated? Or even not wholly agreeing, but defending her right to an opinion about her own experience? Half the problem is that there is such an awful polarisation, why on earth would stating that sex is real mean any harm to any trans person?? What's wrong with a category slightly apart? A trans woman can be a woman, yes, but if she still has all her bits, then she is biologically a man, and socially a woman. That's a very different life and one most of us don't really understand. It's the total shutdown of even any curiosity that is so odd, and all the crap about gender neutral pronouns for people who have some sort of issue with it, as if they think being a man or woman is really that rigid anyway. Does no one any favours.

There is zero risk to publicly standing with Radcliffe, Watson et al at the moment, if anything there are many potential benefits for people willing to do that, so it's very interesting indeed that so few big names have.

Everyone other than a small handful of delusional nutters knows that Rowling is right. Most people also know that sending rape and death threats to a rape and domestic abuse survivor is a bad look, so again, it's very telling that so many TRAs seem so unaware of how that comes across.

Of all the blue tick people that I am following, which is only about 8 (Stephen Fry, Lucy Mangan, Clare Balding, Victoria Coren Mitchell, Susie Dent, Michael Rosen, Sadiq Kahn, Emily Maitlis), the only one who has tweeted, liked, or retweeted anything at all about it is Emily Matilis. Sadiq Kahn tends to tweet things about being inclusive generally, but not sure about this specifically. Otherwise it's been pretty much unmentioned on my twitter, and if it weren't for the hashtags at the sides, and threads on here, I would hardly have known it had blown up on twitter. I may need to start following more people.

[quote nettie434]I don't agree with most of what Julia Hartley Brewer says but she has been forthright in rejecting the 'cis' label. This is worth watching whenever the preachy ones start bullying women:

Even though I disagree with pretty much all of her political opinions (and you know what, that's fine, a free society thrives on pluralism) it is still absolutely glorious to watch a woman who gives precisely no fucks telling a wokey bloke to sod off.

I've got a real thing about Aidan Comerford. You know when people say someone makes their skin crawl - its that. He just gives me the heebie jeebies something chronic.

He is utterly revolting. He reminds me of all those too clever by half boys in first or second year university, who would trip you up on the slightest thing, to prove how superior and extra clever they were.
He turns my stomach, quite literally.

I’d be interested in Sandi Toksvig’s stance

Stephen Fry is pro trans. But may not be crass enough to bite the hand that probably paid for his holiday home.

I'm glad someone said it - of all the TRA's Comerford seriously gives me the creep. He won some amateur stand up comedian some years back, wrote an autobiography "Cornflakes for dinner". To give him his due, he and his wife had an awful lot thrown at them - she suffers from depression and hypersomnia, he lost his job, both his daughters were diagnosed with autism in quick succession (the elder is high functioning, the younger has very profound autism), and they came close to losing their house. That said, I thought he and the wife came across as very unlikeable in the book. Anyway, he is perpetually on twitter, slating Magdalene Berns (until the recent hoo haa when there was a debate on whether Glinner had muscled his way into her death bed and was posting gifs without permission). Then he was outraged on Magdalene's behalf, until Lizzie Berns clarified the matter. But he is relentless, and comes across as a complete woman hater. one thing that gets me... as I understand he is back working in a 9-5 desk job. All the schools are still shut in Ireland, and parents are doing their best to homeschool. My eldest child has autism and it's a bloody nightmare to manage it all - I can see him regressing daily. How the hell does Comerford have so much time to stalk and harass women on FB? If I had time I'd be a full time activist, but there have been times recently when I've just had to stop browsing and shut down as family time matters too.

"Yeah not Val. if she thinks that Guardian “why are middle aged women so hateful & mean unlike the cool young ppl who want equality for all” piece is balanced, I only hope she’s never had to weigh anything on a set of scales"

Agree hermiones mom.

That Comerford fellow makes a really disappointing Santa.

Imagine thinking you would get sack for supporting JK.

but that’s where we are.
FFS

Yeah we see the too afraid

Unlike for me where I would get I think the sack. Actually maybe not now. But I need my job

But for them who don’t. Well you know

Hermionesmom

Yes, fair point :)

Just saw Kate Mosse and Oliver Burkeman (Guardian). I would love to sit in on their Xoom meetings right now.

When are we going to see National Treasure Stephen Fry weigh in on this, I wonder?

Some of the blue tick men are retweeting David Baddiel. I love Sathnam Sanghera - I think he's a brilliant writer. But he's said nothing whatsoever and now he's retweeted David Baddie[l. Which is better than nothing but Come On. You can do more than retweet a man condemning the abuse of a woman. You can boost women's voices.

My conclusion is that they all agree with JKR. She said nothing untrue. Nothing objectionable. If they disagreed and/or wanted woke cookies they would already have said so. They agree but they are scared so they pal up with another bloke. It's pathetic.

As for Grint and Radcliffe, I hope the woke cookies turn to ashes in their mouths.

Yeah not Val. if she thinks that Guardian “why are middle aged women so hateful & mean unlike the cool young ppl who want equality for all” piece is balanced, I only hope she’s never had to weigh anything on a set of scales

What is Fern's Twitter handle? I can't find her. I thought Deborah Meadon and Judy Murray might tweet support.. Jennifer Saunders retweet seems to have had a big impact.

Add in

Oliver Burkeman - Guardian writer
Kate Mosse - Author

Personally, I wouldn’t include Kirsty Allsopp She’s gone down the “I don’t know enough about this debate” cop out route

TBf that seems a perfectly valid stance and one I wish 99% of Twitter would employ before they open their big mouths. No one has to agree. That's big lie #nodebate has fed us. Everyone is entitled to their opinion or lack thereof.

She said she doesn't have enough knowledge to have an opinion but in the same tweet she finished with this hurling vile abuse at JK Rowling is wrong, regardless of anything else

So she supports JKR whatever her personal stance on trans rights.

Val is a GNC lesbian woman, and a clever one at that. She must get it, and is choosing not to.

Oh! Dave Chappelle!!!

Jo said speciffaly she was worried about what the Scottish government had passed in law. About redifinying the meaning of what women are in her piece

So Val. You didn’t speak up and now you misrepresent what JK said

So Val there we go