Sun headline and responses to it

“They are our responsibility”

Fuck off, Jamila.

Women aren’t support humans for everyone else, nor human shields.

Bloody hell Jameela Jamil is plumbing new depths with this one. So we're now blaming JK Rowling and GC feminists for the "actual rape" of transwomen?

My only hope is that the more MRA bilge that is spouted, the more people will wake up to what's going on. If not then we really are screwed.

I’m actually at the point with Jameela that I’m quite concerned for her wellbeing.

Re Jameela Jamil's supremely shitty and misogynistic hot take on all this. We’ve already achieved rule 10 (thanks TehBewilderness)

10th rule of misogyny: The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.

JJ has probably just invoked the rest all by herself. Level Arse Unlocked. Slow handclap.

Did I interpret that correctly??

Yep, that’s how I interpreted it too.

Blind hot anger over those tweets from Jameela, I don't know how to process that inner hate she has for her own sex.

Jameela’s ignorance truly astonishes me. How does she make it through the day, how does she manage to lead a relatively successful life carrying around such stupidity?

The howls of rage that the spotlight and sympathy is being shared with a female centric view....

Of course the activist political lobby have shared many stories of their distress and trauma and struggles. This has had a huge impact on gaining a view of their vulnerability as a community and inspiring sympathy and support. In fact it's been one of the main pillars of their campaigning. It's very interesting how they find it objectionable when someone not of their group does the same to illustrate their own distress and trauma and demonstrate the challenges faced by that community, and call this unfair and manipulative. But not when they do it.

So when people born male do it, it's ok.

When people born female do it, it's evil and naughty.

So it's down to the privilege of being born with a bloody penis again, isn't it? What's that called, I remember the phrase vaguely....

State of those Tweets

Poor old jameela - still trying to recover ground from coming out as ‘queer’ in an attempt to justify her place on whatever the hell that th show was as opposed to being a true ally and supporting somone who was lgbt

She’s so dense light bends round her

Did I interpret that correctly??

That appears to be what she thinks. Yes.

Why wouldn’t this vile man be proud of his actions? After all he has done when so many have threatened and what Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson, and others including mainstream media have implicitly supported by their support for those spouting vitriol towards JKR. All those headlines of ‘transphobic backlash’ which should have read ‘transgender activists pour violent misogynistic abuse on JKR for saying women matter’ support violence against women.

So ... according to Jameela women suffer only the threat of rape and murder but trans women experience ACTUAL rape and murder ...and it’s because of GC women.

Did I interpret that correctly??

Good Lord.

Jameela: women who are abused for maintaining their boundaries are themselves responsible for the abuse of transwomen, who are more badly abused.

In a nutshell - outspoken women, all male violence is your fault. Shut up and be compliant, like women have been for centuries. Men will decide when you can speak and what you can say.

Wow. This from a woman, in 2020.

OK, so threats of violence are justified when women tweet things to defend themselves and raise safeguarding questions. This is because this causes hurty feelings to trans people and legitimises male violence against trans people some of which does not even exist when you look at the actual uk figures rather than the twitter made up ones. Unlike the murder and abuse of women by men which seems to be minimised as its merely inconvenient and bad publicity for the media trade as a whole.

Right.

Got it Jameela.

You carry on supporting the threats to kill all terfs and rapes with lady cocks. It's completely justified.

Male violence is clearly the fault of those pointing out how they are the victims of male violence. Oh. Wait. What?

ginandtonic it can simply be boiled down to “she was asking for it”.

I hope you've all seen Jameela Jamil's supremely shitty and misogynistic hot take on all this.

Superb post Red

Complaints can be made here www.ipso.co.uk/complain/

Am I right in thinking that it's only in the last day or two that trans issues have made it into the news?

Off the top of my head trans issues have been on Victoria Derbyshire, Newsnight, the front pages of the Mail, Telegraph and Times, BBC 6 o'clock news, BBC 10 o'clock news in the past twelve months.

It's very much been in the news before. However not everyone is interested in news. They are only interested in celebrity gossip.

I'll park that point there.

One tweet I've seen this morning has really made a point to me.

Chris Deerin @ chrisdeerin
that Sun front page is appallingly ill-judged, needlessly upsetting and hugely damaging to our trade. Ffs

He made the tweet at just before 7am. After 30 mins of people saying "er I think you've ill judged that tweet put your own self interest ahead of the impact on women" he then tweeted

Chris Deerin @chrisdeerin
and as people are pointing out, most damaging of all for women. That was intended to be in the message of the tweet, but I should have been more explicit.

It highlights how the subject is seen. Its damaging PR ahead of damaging to women. The impact to women is a secondary afterthought as to how it affects them as writers and journalists.

Another journalist has pointed out the following:

Megha Mohan @meghamohan
At least two UK tabloids will run prominent stories tmrw that gives voice to someone who admits to at least one act of violence against his then wife. This is against the IPSO approved @welevelup guidelines on reporting on domestic violence/killings - summarised here:

Now we've seen many social media commentors who also work for newspapers frequently giving a platform and retweeting others who have threatened violence to women on this subject or have never ever condemned this language before.

It's only when it's parked on the front page of The Sun that they go 'that's not ok'.

The uncomfortable truth is that Sun front page could not exist if it was not socially acceptable to pile on and have threats of violence towards women as common place on social media. It provides a stark reminder that the culture that allows that cover is one they are part of.

It illustrates firmly why women feel threatened and scared and why they need single spaces away from men. But that's not the aim of the Sun with that cover.

The Sun merely wants clicks and money. Just like Owen Jones who makes his money off click bait and turning a blind eye where its convenient to do so.

If you can't see male violence then you don't have to do anything about it. If you pretend it doesn't exist you don't have to change your own behaviour.

And there it is, on the front page of the Sun. In connection with the running hot story of the week, and its no longer ignorable or something that can merely be dismissed.

It becomes relevant and starring you in the face and demands a response if you've been shitting all over JKR all week.

Maybe, just maybe some people might be forced to admit that male violence is a reality that women face but privileged white men and women ignore because they can... But more likely it will just be seen as something that makes journalists and column writers look bad.

I hope the police were knocking on his door this morning.

I agree the Sun's main interest is selling newspapers. However, I suppose even they realise that endorsing violence against women is no longer a good look. They've framed the story in such a way as to indicate their disapproval. You could argue they're trying to have their cake and eat it. It wouldn't be the first time.

If we were ever in doubt as to how much women are hated. I’m so angry about this, I don’t buy the line that The Sun are rallying support for JKR - they’re only interested in selling their rag and generating profit, and screw anything else.

The wokesters that failed to condemn the online abuse of JKR are going to tie themselves up in knots over this one.

As always for him, vulnerable women are only something he'll think of when he wants to use them as battering ram against a bigger enemy - in this case, The Sun.

This is bang on. OJ hates the tabloids and sees this as an opportunity to attack them. He is a nasty little hypocrite. And you know what? It's not the Sun who assaulted JKR. All they did was report on it - admittedly in a crass way, but still. It's not the Sun who has been spouting vile misogynistic abuse all over the internet. Has OJ condemned all those people who wrote "she can suck my entire cock and choke on it"?

Hmm. Let me guess.

Am I right in thinking that it's only in the last day or two that trans issues have made it into the news? It seems to me that if you don't have a particular interest (and are not on twitter or this board) the TWAW activism could easily pass you by.
I suspect men who read the Sun will be rubbing their eyes and grunting in disbelief.
It's taken about 6 months from JKR's initial 'provocative' tweet I think, but she has really opened a lot of people's eyes to the reality now.
She is an amazing woman, and I am sure she would have known that her story would be splashed across the tabloids. I hope she has support to help her deal with the fallout.