Sun headline and responses to it

This is the twitter feed of someone who says - "Building a user-moderated social network to stop toxicity, misinformation, and abuse online."
Well, I think we can dismiss that statement as some of the regular posters on his feed include Aidan Comerford and "Mimmymum".

twitter.com/Carter_AndrewJ

twitter.com/PennyRed/status/1271147103872409600

twitter.com/AidanCTweets

twitter.com/mimmymum/status/1271359017131159554

Good to know, that Robert Webb is on our side. He has been very consistent about all this.

twitter.com/arobertwebb/status/1271371920898998273

I love Robert Webb.

The idea that men would stop killing male transpeople if only they saw them as real women and not (to quote contrapoints) "delusional men in dresses" is completely absurd. Women are far more likely to be killed for being women than men are to be killed for being trans. If men starting seeing male transpeople as women rather than as men (with the same ability to defend themselves as other men) then they would be in more danger not less.

I am now minded not to complain about the Sun but to complain about OJ. Does anyone know who Jameela Jamil’s employer is? I will be contacting them.

This has had a real impact on my mental health.

Ah and Owen getting 'owned' in the replies to Robert Webb's tweet as well!

Did he just forget what he wrote about about JKR 'portraying the oppressed as aggressors while portraying herself as a courageous truth telling martyr' (paraphrased but essentially what he said) when he asked RW to give examples, does he hope others forgot, or does he genuinely not think thats what he was doing?

What a wally!

Oh my god that picture of Jameela and Danielle! 😂😂😂

Look at the smug smile on Danielle's face as well as she gentle hovers over him like she is 'protecting' him. Danielle and his ilk must think that women like Jameela are just absolute fucking fools!

Skylar Baker-Jordan posted this about JK Rowling's attackers and the Sun article, which I though was very perceptive:

They can’t even see the connection or that they created the environment for this to be seen as allowable

That is, by denigrating and denying her being abused, and the abuse of women generally, they created the environment that led to the Sun publishing this.

Shit,wrong thread. Sorry!

@royalcorgi owen jones also responds in the comments and get pulled up for his part.

Quite frankly it's delicious.

Robert Webb posted this.

Imagine this scenario Jameela:

A black male trans street sex worker is murdered by a punter in Brazil. The police catch him and do some investigation, looking for motive, because the usual violent reasons of drugs, money and simple male violence aren’t enough. They confiscate his phone and look at his browsing history and see he regularly reads Feminist Current, A Woman’s Place UK and - most shocking of all - Mumsnet. The police don’t seem at all surprised that a violent man in Brazil is reading British Feminist websites, because you know, they all do, and continue their investigation. They go to his place of residence and find not only the entire boxset of Harry Potter books, but also all of the films too, and the Casual Vacancy (book and BBC adaptation) and the Strike series. There’s an “adult human female” t shirt, and a saved Sky News clip of someone called Posie Parker casually taking apart some weird bug-eyed dude in a televised debate. The police conclude that rather than “rough sex gone wrong” which is how the murder of female prostitutes is usually dismissed, it’s clearly your standard case of the overseas-derived feminism oppression defence (ODFOD) and the man is let off. The injustice of the death of a South American trans male because of British feminists again reaches the news feed of a British actor living in LA who immediately targets those truly responsible, those whose rhetoric led to such a terrible death: British women.

Now imagine that Jameela, and remind yourself on a daily basis that it is a complete fucking fairytale you ignorant POS. Instead, why don’t you actually focus on the real cause of violence against trans people, violent men, and do some actual good for a change?

Buck once spoke up about suffering from vaginal atrophy and was absolutely monstered by TRAs for 'scare-mongering'.

(Even though I'm sure I would disgree with Buck on just about everything to do with the "sex industry", we're in agreement about biology. Buck also sounds like the sort of person who's prepared to listen and discuss, with whom you could actually have a constructive conversation even if you didn't agree on everything).

Ffs Jameel. If your "feminism" not only includes, but actively centres, the demands of men to female language, spaces, bodies, time, and resources, maybe consider that's its not actually feminism. 2 words. Rhymes with Nale Fupremicism. Getting it yet? The absolute nerve of her to say that women who are only asking to keep their existing legal rights are somehow responsible for male violence against transpeople, is just staggering. As a pp elegantly put it: so dense that light bends around her.

Well, OK, it is forgivable - lots of people post things without thinking. I do think it makes them sound vacuous and stupid.

You just know Paris will be on every news show next week as the acceptable face of a trans women - karen white less likely.

And I've just noticed that the Times article says much of the abuse towards JK is coming from people with anime characters as their avatars.

This.

The influence of anime, the sexualisation and stereotypes it promotes and the underlying rampant sexist culture its part of is huge.

Don't get me wrong. I love Japanese cartoons more than Disney. I find it much more interesting and watchable. But bloody hell I wish it didn't have the same undertones.

Oh plopsie

I was rather hoping grint was keeping his head down...but nope

They haven't kept up with the issue.

I think that is forgivable.

It's not forgivable to respond like this without even reading or acknowledging what JKR has actually said.

It's the inanity of it.

I agree. They aren't even paying her the courtesy of reading oraddressing what she read.

Meanwhile George Takei is doing his bit to show that yes, people are saying that sex does not exist.

mobile.twitter.com/GeorgeTakei/status/1270786369166680064

Buck Angel is in the replies pointing out that he would not be a transsexual man if sex did not exist. Its not clear whether George Takei has noticed.

More like Clash of the Tits Sunsetbeetch

I firmly stand with the trans community and echo the sentiments expressed by many of my peers.

Oh dear. I don't think this is going to age well for him, Radcliffe and Watson.

They haven't kept up with the issue. And don't realise the misogyny, sexism, sexual motivation and violence involved.

Yes, CaraDune exactly as I posted above. Which is why, please please think about whether complaining is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. If the Sun is held to have breached guidelines, then it will be easy for OJ and the rest to dismiss the entire side of this matter, which is the place JKR is coming from in her stance in the trans debate. I think the headline and the piece together just shows what a shit bag men like this are, who dismiss their violent conduct as mere nothings and blame the women for asking for it. There is a direct parallel with the threats and violence meted out on twitter every day to all women just for having an opinion that is not 100% pro or centring men and their needs. These men and their supporters don't think they have done anything wrong, and, as Jameel is proving, think the women have asked for it.