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Do you think most people simply agree with radical TRA’s from lack of knowledge?

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Cornana · 11/06/2020 23:25

Most of my friends have said things like, “oh JK Rowling is very transphobic.” When I’ve actually showed them her Tweets, they’ve turned around and said it’s nothing like they thought and they agree with her. I study Law and most of my peers are very grounded and rational- We all understand the implications of getting rid of single sex definitions and spaces, etc, as we have to learn about it. The average person could easily not realise this, as it’s not something that really comes up unless you happen to be in the field or similar. I find a lot of my friends who judged Rowling and similar just actually didn’t know what being gender critical was about- Once we’ve actually had a conversation about what it actually is, the legal and social consequences etc, they’re normally a lot more open to gender critical points of view and agree with me.

Just that basically- Do other people think the trans movement only has such a big support online as people just don’t really know much or pay attention, see the word “transphobic” and automatically agree?

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AlecTrevelyan006 · 12/06/2020 00:05

Yes. And most people criticising JKR are doing so on the basis of having read the headlines and maybe the first paragraph of the associated story rather than source material. The 'news' is not what JKR said, but the reactions it garnered, and that in turn is what most people are commenting on.

It's always been the way to a large extent with the mainstream media, but 24/7 rolling news and social media has exacerbated things.

FluffBalled · 11/06/2020 23:58

It is very biased of the press to report concerns around sexism using the misrepresentative word "transphobic", most people scan headlines and don't get any further.

Doyoumind · 11/06/2020 23:56

Yes. I don't think most people in the real world when faced with the facts agree. I think the majority that go along with it are uniformed. That's based on personal experience and a lot of time on Twitter.

The ones who I really cannot take are the intersectional feminists et al who do know what they are talking about but are happy to throw away everything that has been achieved so far for women.

OneEpisode · 11/06/2020 23:55

I’ve seen noobs ask what JK did that was transphobic. and they are told she said lots of hateful stuff, but having done all that evil and set it loose, killing all the trans kids, JK has deleted the evidence, so if the nice TRA hasn’t educated the noob, they would never have known who the villainess was. But now they’ve been educated Down With That Kind Of Thing.

FluffBalled · 11/06/2020 23:53

Poor them, life so hard all that surgery.

Stonewall's own stats say over 90% have no intention of ever having surgery, these are men with penis in women's wards/prisons and refuges we are talking about.

What?!?! No can't have that, that can't be allowed surely!?

RoosterPie · 11/06/2020 23:50

Outside of Twitter I don’t think most people do agree with them, but yes, of those that do I think you’re right

iswhois · 11/06/2020 23:48

Defiantly.

Most people don't understand/ know about the GRA

Also most people assume that all trans folk are fully transitioned to the point you can't tell the difference. The men who walk around town in ill fitted underwear and dresses are just considered strange people, when pressed that these individuals are in the eyes society trans women it causes confusion and disbelief.

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Cornana · 11/06/2020 23:44

True, all my friends think of transwomen as heavily passing and having had surgery. These people are in the latter though, for sure, at least online.

Most of my friends are perfectly rational about these issues who do Law, however a lot of my other friends who have not gone into the same field I have, have very different views and I have to make a massive effort to be politically correct.

I am also a lesbian, and it is amazing how many of my lesbian friends will repeat “TWAW” until it comes to the idea of dating transwomen- I think this is the point where people begin to see sense, as being told your sexuality has to include men doesn’t normally go down well.

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Shedbuilder · 11/06/2020 23:37

Yup. Loads of people still think that when someone refers to a transwoman they mean someone who's been through years of surgery and passes for a woman. Show them photos of real transwomen and they're horrified and start to understand what the problem is — or most do.

Good to hear that your cohort of young lawyers isn't so easily duped.

I think one of the most worrying revelations about this whole subject is the realisation that many people don't seem to think about things very deeply or apply logic or critical thought. It's happened in my own social circle. I'm a lesbian and I have lesbian friends, women who would swear they were feminists, who went along with TWAW for a while before I talked it through with them and they began to see how homophobic trans ideology is.