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I think trans women are women.....

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rabbitwoman · 11/06/2020 10:51

i think transwomen are women.

i think that women that are not transwomen need a special set of laws and rights to protect them because they are and have been subject to many centuries of oppression. They need laws and protections around childbirth and breastfeeding. they need support around menstruation.

women that are not transwomen will be susceptible to cancer of the overaries and womb, endemetriosis, and also respond very differently to some diseases and medicines

It would be very useful to put all these women who are not transwomen into one demographic category so that these issues can be directly identified and tackled.
this need not conflate with transgender rights.

Aslo, women that are transwomen will have been subject to a unique form of sexual abuse, harassment and prejudice. they will require specialist medical treatment to negotiate things like prostrate and testicular cancer within their own identity. they will respond very differently to some diseases and medicines.

It would be very useful to put all these women who are transwomen into one demographic category so that these issues can be directly identified and tackled.
this need not conflate with women's rights

i propose that for these purposes we could use the words 'transwomen' and 'women'

as well as 'transmen' and 'men'

is this wrong?

OP posts:
CaraDune · 11/06/2020 11:35

Rabbit I am genuinely confused by what you're saying (possibly not your fault, I've had a rough couple of days).

You open with I think that transwomen are women then go on to distinguish between what the rest of us call "women" and "transwomen", articulating perfectly sensible arguments about sex and gender, then say you propose we use two separate words "transwomen" and "women". Doesn't your first sentence contradict the rest of what you say?

Do you think transwomen are women?

Or do you think transwomen are transwomen, women (as defined biologically) are women, and that's fine?

Joisanofthedales · 11/06/2020 11:32

Trans women are men. They have XY chromosomes and produce small motile gametes called sperm.

NaturalBornWoman · 11/06/2020 11:29

It would be very useful to put all these women who are transwomen into one demographic category so that these issues can be directly identified and tackled
this need not conflate with women's rights

I propose that for these purposes we could use the words 'transwomen' and 'women'

as well as 'transmen' and 'men'

is this wrong?

I think some people on here are a bit hard of thinking OP. Your proposal sounds perfect to me.

TorkTorkBam · 11/06/2020 11:24

Yes, I can get on board with the content of your post, despite your clickbait title.

It's about time more trans people started being proud of being trans and proud of their sexualtiy whatever it may be instead of hiding behind word play.

Be proud to say I am a lesbian woman who is a transman, not a man.

or I am a hetero man who is a transwoman, not a woman.

Different needs.

BaronessFloralBunting · 11/06/2020 11:22

What, third spaces and specific provision for male trans people? Perfectly sensible.

Nothing to do with women's provision, which should obviously include female trans people and those women who would rather say they are non binary.

I'm campaigning for women. Male people have enough resources and support to campaign for themselves.

MaggieMay1972 · 11/06/2020 11:22

You have a penis and testicles and yet you are a woman ?. Have I got that right ?.

testing987654321 · 11/06/2020 11:19

Venn diagram, obviously.

testing987654321 · 11/06/2020 11:17

In what way are transwomen women?

What do women have in common with transwomen that they don't have in common with men?

In what way are transwomen different to men?

If I was going to draw a vent diagram, the whole would be humans, then men and women would be separate circles inside humans. Transwomen would be a circle inside the men's circle.

RuffleCrow · 11/06/2020 11:16

There's nothing offensive about having a particular word that describes adult human females. Do you find the distinction between cows and bulls offensive? After all, no-one has even bothered to ask bulls how they identify Hmm

lydiamajora · 11/06/2020 11:13

I know that the following question is considered goady by some but I have to ask: what is a woman? I'm not asking to be a jerk, but seriously, what do women have in common which differentiates them from men or any other "gender"? How does one tell whether they are a woman or something else?

What is the purpose of separate sporting competitions for men and women? Why segregate prisons and toilets?