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I think trans women are women.....

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rabbitwoman · 11/06/2020 10:51

i think transwomen are women.

i think that women that are not transwomen need a special set of laws and rights to protect them because they are and have been subject to many centuries of oppression. They need laws and protections around childbirth and breastfeeding. they need support around menstruation.

women that are not transwomen will be susceptible to cancer of the overaries and womb, endemetriosis, and also respond very differently to some diseases and medicines

It would be very useful to put all these women who are not transwomen into one demographic category so that these issues can be directly identified and tackled.
this need not conflate with transgender rights.

Aslo, women that are transwomen will have been subject to a unique form of sexual abuse, harassment and prejudice. they will require specialist medical treatment to negotiate things like prostrate and testicular cancer within their own identity. they will respond very differently to some diseases and medicines.

It would be very useful to put all these women who are transwomen into one demographic category so that these issues can be directly identified and tackled.
this need not conflate with women's rights

i propose that for these purposes we could use the words 'transwomen' and 'women'

as well as 'transmen' and 'men'

is this wrong?

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mummmy2017 · 05/08/2020 10:28

We all know the person who had surgery to look like a cat, can never be a cat, they simply look more feline.
So why can this logic not be applied to a transperson?

AntsInPenzance · 05/08/2020 09:23

What confuses me is that transwomen say they 'identify' as a woman or 'feel' like a woman, yet in the next breath they seek to redefine what a woman is. Confused

GreenLeafTurnip · 05/08/2020 09:18

I never reply to threads like these but this is just ridiculous. You want to have a new group for women who are women from birth??

You know that's just women right?

This PC crap is beyond a joke now.

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rabbitwoman · 05/08/2020 08:13

But, as was pointed out and as I did apologise for, maybe the opener and title fell a bit short of the mark - but the debate, as ever, has been really stimulating and informed.

Keep on keeping on x

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rabbitwoman · 05/08/2020 07:44

In this case, though, people are replying without reading the first post in full!!

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TehBewilderness · 05/08/2020 03:15

@rabbitwoman

Hello, tis the OP...

Oh, wish I knew why my last post was deleted..... I don't mind, though, one thing the last few months since I started this thread has taught me is that a lot of people don't read the thread properly, don't necessarily follow the debate before coming in with their thoughts, have missed something of misunderstood something innocuous - though if anyone knows why it was deleted I would be intrigued to know....

I don't think it is appropriate to criticize people for taking you at your word in your OP. Many people reply to the OP without reading the full thread. It is known.
OldCrone · 05/08/2020 00:37

You can report your deleted post and ask why it was deleted.

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rabbitwoman · 04/08/2020 23:51

@Impatiens

Never mind rabbitwoman, I got it..Smile
Cheers 💪

It's fine. But for those of you currently on this thread - I made my first post nearly two months ago. It has been a fascinating two months in this arena, not least because of Jk's essay - many more woman are now aware, and debating this issue.

I do think we have to pay careful attention to the language and nuances of any TRA argument and that is where we will succeed. Every single point they present hinges on transwomen being different to us - more oppressed, more abused, more fragile, more traumatised - if that is the case then lumping us all in the same category will weaken the rights and protections of women AND transwomen. I made thus point myself in an online debate - got called names, got told I was a bigot etc, only for my 'opponent' to say exactly the same thing back to me three minutes later.

So, where do we go from here? Let's come back to this thread again in another few months!!

PS - still don't know why my post was deleted, never been deleted before, anyone know how I can find out?

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Impatiens · 04/08/2020 22:38

Never mind rabbitwoman, I got it..Smile

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rabbitwoman · 04/08/2020 22:08

Hello, tis the OP...

Oh, wish I knew why my last post was deleted..... I don't mind, though, one thing the last few months since I started this thread has taught me is that a lot of people don't read the thread properly, don't necessarily follow the debate before coming in with their thoughts, have missed something of misunderstood something innocuous - though if anyone knows why it was deleted I would be intrigued to know....

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Annasgirl · 04/08/2020 20:36

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BaronEssoStation · 04/08/2020 13:10

Yes, fairy.

BaronEssoStation · 04/08/2020 13:09

Why was OP's post at 00.47 removed. From what I remember it was fairy innocuous.

Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel · 04/08/2020 12:37

I wanted to show support for the trans community

Oh and you wanted to do there HERE? Hmm

Trans women are men. HTH.

acatcalledjohn · 04/08/2020 12:31

@midgebabe

Is the Atlantic also known as the transatlantic? How can anything prefixed trans actually be the same as the thing it prefixes?

No, transatlantic simply describes a transition from one side to the other, e.g. a flight or a vessel from the European to the American continent.

notangelinajolie · 04/08/2020 01:17

Too many words.
I'll keep it simple.

Transwomen are men.

rabbitwoman · 04/08/2020 00:47

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Pepper70 · 03/08/2020 21:15

yes, I read i like that too, I was a bit offended to be honest.

Fieldofgreycorn · 03/08/2020 21:00

It can’t but then you would have to call trans women ‘transmen’ or ‘transmale’. That won’t go well.

midgebabe · 03/08/2020 17:40

Is the Atlantic also known as the transatlantic?
How can anything prefixed trans actually be the same as the thing it prefixes?

deepwatersolo · 03/08/2020 16:51

i think transwomen are women.

you can only think that transwomen are or aren't women if you have a noncircular objectifyable definition of the word 'woman'. Without defining the word it is unknowable whether a transwoman is or isn't a woman as the word 'woman' has no meaning.

highame · 03/08/2020 10:53

She's still terrific

mummmy2017 · 03/08/2020 10:41
This is from 4 years ago. No swearing, no nasty bits, just that they are not women and need to realise that.
Pillypocket666 · 02/08/2020 22:33

For me a woman has a vagina and a male has a penis. That's it.

TehBewilderness · 02/08/2020 22:26

Trans Women Are Women is a thought terminating cliche that seeks to erase the difference between adjectives that modify nouns, tall woman & Black woman for example, and compound words which change the meaning of the noun, Seahorses are not horses, hot dogs are not dogs, trans women are not women.