Emma Watson no longer believes in women

It's not a surprise from Emma Watson. Although I don't understand these privileged women who refuse to accept that men are dangerous, especially when they start aggressively asserting themselves against women. They are actively supporting the abuse of women.

Cloudy the man in the picture is a child and woman rapist. I think you'd need to know that before commenting on what the poster meant

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That is absurdity and hysteria talking. I don't think saying trans women are women is equivalent to saying they alone are women. You people really shoot yourselves in the foot with this madness. Robust debate? It's like a toddler cake smash.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3934951-the-body-shop-has-fallen?watched=1&msgid=97344217#97344217

Cloudyvanilla, do you believe that the threat to women from men overall is very low?

@OldCrone I don't understand what you are trying to say. Are you saying because he's manly looking he wouldn't, as a transgender person, be at risk of being subject to trans phobic abuse?

You honestly remind me of this MRA I spoke to once who, when I was arguing that women were vulnerable to male violence, he described a "6 foot lesbian woman" as some kind of trump card to say that it somehow meant women weren't vulnerable.

Re the DR thing I just mean, regardless of the means, he has a large platform, same with EW. And just because JKR is the cause of that doesn't mean he has to agree her which I know you've said just wanted to clarify I understood he is famous because of HP and likely wouldn't be if he wasn't Harry :)

I've been following this on Twitter. Given their explicit views I've called for Watson, Eddie Redmayne & Daniel Radcliffe to no longer be considered for parts for women & men respectively. Clearly they must believe it an unbearable injustice that they get roles that transwomen/transmen should be given instead. I'm sure they'll be the first to admit that declining into penniless obscurity is the very least they can do, seeing as how they're so passionate about trans "rights".

As far as these film stars are concerned, JK Rowling wrote the book of the film that began their careers and they have worked incredibly hard to become stars in their own right. They are not being nasty or personal to J K Rowling. The people who are low enough to make personal insults because their political beliefs clash with theirs are on this thread. J K Rowling on the other hand, is free to say what she wants but will be well aware that that who are publicly associated with her may feel morally obliged to step forward and say "we, not in my name". Because those adults are still associated with Rowling in the public imagination and also have a right to stand for what they believe in. They're not vitriolic - the vipers are here, actually. I'm much more inclined to think that the voice of empathy and reason is wherever these MN vipers are not.

I enjoyed the subtley and eloquence of JK's blog post. And was baffled that EW's tweets read like they were written by a five year old.

Right I get what everyone is saying but there is more to trans women than just the issue over same sex spaces. I know that's where the conflict is, I'm saying that apart from that, both groups can be supportive of each other. As in, support each other by no being so vitriolic towards each other.

As a group trans women are vulnerable in themselves and they exist regardless of any changes of law which effect women

How vulnerable do you think this 'transwoman' is Cloudy?

And you might want to read jkr's blog post @cloudyvanilla because I am sick to the back teeth of having this discussion again.

You are completely correct DR does not owe JKR a dogmatic following
Would anybody be interested in him without her ?

Except no one would give a shiny shit about his opinions @CloudyVanilla were it not for JKR.

It's like children who owe their hugely privileged lives to their parents' hard work throwing it back in their faces publicly.

They have no obligation to not be raging misogynists obviously, but it's very ungracious of them. And I bet if she'd done this half way through the potter films, they would have carried on taking her cash.

It isn't just active threat to female people.

It's privacy. Dignity.
The woman with a catheter in, on a hospital ward with a person she perceives as male in the next bed seeing and hearing everything
The lonely or marginalised woman who can no longer go to the gym or swim or book group, because their culture or religion forbids them joining a mixed sex session and a TW has proudly joined the single female only session available.
The woman with three kids who desperately needs a refuge place but stays with the man trying to kill her because the refuges apologetically admit that there's no female only refuges left and she's too terrified of people she perceives as male.
The teenaged girl in tears because the classmate who identified as male until last week is in her changing room, she has a period and she's expected to take her clothes off in front of them or get in trouble.

The teenaged girl who is afraid to drink all day at school and won't go to school when she has a period because people she perceives as male are in the toilets.

And we have to be honest about that fact that some male people behave extremely inappropriately towards female people and things like males (who don't necessarily even identify as trans) posting on forums about taking women's used tampons to push up their bottoms, and so stalking them into cubicles and listening, hoping to get a fresh warm one; or wanking on the floor of a cubicle where women will change hoping one will walk on his semen, or wiping his semen on toilet paper for the thrill of knowing some woman will unknowingly use it, or the man trying on women's underwear with the curtains half open hoping a woman walks in for the thrill of his being caught pretty much flashing. These things are real, they happen, this is the world female people live in.

All these things are enabled when you prioritise valuing the lovely individual need of someone's personal and painful identity over the whole picture of half the human race disadvantaged by biology with provision that they need for good reason. This is privileging the emotional choices of all males over the needs, safety and human rights of all females.

@EarlofEggMcMuffin I wasn't aware most single single sex spaces no longer existed, I'm pretty sure most still are single sex right?

Sorry, I mean that trans women as a group of people aren't a threat, not that eradication of same sex spaces would not be a threat. They are different things. As a group trans women are vulnerable in themselves and they exist regardless of any changes of law which effect women (which I do not support, to be clear).

I'm saying, it's a shame there is an inherent conflict of interest but I really do believe that one can support both perspectives. I know I do. And I'm sure EW does as, like others have pointed out, she has also supported feminist initiatives.

Great post @EarlofEggMcMuffin
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Nice that she came out and condemned the disgusting 'Choke on my girl cock' abuse that has been directed at JRK though. Oh, wait.....

And I thought my daughter was an embarrassment

I'm not really sure what their acting credentials have to do with anything? As far as I'm aware DR has already expressed he is extremely grateful for the huge change JKR has caused in his life.

It doesn't mean he isn't allowed to dissent from her moral or philosophical opinions. He does not owe her a dogmatic following because she launched his career. Nobody owes anybody that.

Can someone link the tweet? I’m still banned and can’t be arsed to mess about.
Little hypocrite.

Hint the answer is zero.

Cloudy I no longer agree that the "threat" to women from TW is very low.

If I cannot be guaranteed that I can use a bathroom or changing room, or use the showers at my sports club in a single sex area then that is a "threat" to me.

If my teenage daughter cannot be guaranteed that she can use the bathrooms at school in a single sex space while she deals with the new demands that puberty brings, that doesn't feel like a low level of threat.

And if you are on the receiving end of the types of threats that JKRowling has had online, does the "low" level of threat really matter any more....it's going to feel very high level if they are directed at you.

And if you are a female in a female prison, incarcerated with a TW the threat is really not going to feel very low is it?

Just how many women under "threat" is acceptable?