Emma Watson no longer believes in women

@crumpet I know it's simple because i have said several times that that is exactly where I stand. It seems people on here say that a lot but their actual thoughts do not line up with that.

The support for mermaids was an absolute two finger salute to jkr.

She should not be a women ambassador to the UN if she cant identify what a women is.

I don't think you're an idiot Cloudy. I think you're trying hard to be kind, and it is hard to say a firm "no" sometimes. But I want to be free to say a firm no to male bodied people in women's single sex spaces. I can't say that to the unpleasant transwomen without also saying it to the ones that are decent people. And I don't actually want a decent male bodied person changing (etc) beside me either.

Don't you "don't you dare me", honestly get over yourselves. I didn't say predatory people to avoid saying MEN. Honestly what is wrong with you.

I was actually so disappointed to read this from Emma.

I shouldn't be surprised. They think they're being revolutionary. Like accepting homosexuals when no one else would and being part of the Pride movement.

Except it's nothing like that and just shits all over lesbian homosexuals. And all females.

@MaleficentsCrow I totally agree with you

You can be a feminist and support trans women at the same time btw

You can also do this and support biology, which is what Ms Rowling has done.

But I agree and acknowledge there should be single sex spaces, no one is listening! You just hear the slightest support for trans women as people and just assume I am a misogynistic idiot who thinks it's not a problem if women in vulnerable situations are exposed further. That's not what I'm saying ffs.

I'm just saying most people who are trans are just living their life. There is a weird entitled group of trans women who obviously feel very strongly about their right to these places, but they don't represent all trans women. So I don't get why I am constantly being told about single sex spaces. I friggin get it, I agree. It doesn't solve any issues for people who are genuinely transgender and trying to live in a world where trans and homophobia is stil very much alive. Why shouldn't people support them.

The comment from JKR I do object to is her, what was it, "wumble, woobmen" or whatever tweet. Because the article did actually reference women and girls, it just also referenced non binary people who menstruate. It was just respectful of biologically female people who aren't comfortable being identified as such. It wasn't erasure, so I actually thought that was quite mean and scathing of her. Had the article just referenced "people who menstruate", I would have been on her side.

I'll also add cloudy I am perfectly happy for anyone to live as they so wish, as whatever identify they so wish, and they should be safe to do so and protected.

But the above can't happen because girls and women are disadvantaged. It has to happen because they get their own rights and protections and women's rights are ring-fenced and protected also.

It is my belief that:

Women have the right to be safe, women have the right to be on a competitive equal playing field as eachother, women have the right to have their sex characteristics protected, women have the right to equal employment opportunity and pay.

Transexuals have the right to be safe, transexuals have the right to be on a equal competitive playing field as eachother, transexuals have the right to have their gender identity protected, transexuals have the right to equal employment opportunity and pay.

Men have the right to, well be men they have enough privilege. 😂

They can't infringe on one another at the others detriment however. That's the point.

If you read JK Rowling's full statement today - and also her previous tweets - she's actually very inclusive. She acknowledges trans rights and is clear about the fact she would fight against any discrimination they suffer. She's not this monstrous anti-trans creature that she's being portrayed as.

At the same time as acknowledging and wanting to protect trans folk, JK Rowling is asking not to be spoken over as a woman. To acknowledge that natal women deserve the rights to be protected and recognised. That natal women's rights are just as important as trans rights.

As a society, we haven't gotten this right yet. At the moment, trans folk still feel marginalised and excluded, while natal women feel pushed aside and even worse, are being verbally attacked for expressing the desire to have their rights protected.

As for the HP stars speaking out, they're just gunning for insta-likes and ass pats. Not a shred of nuanced argument among any of their statements. Predictable.

[quote NotBadConsidering]You were great in Little Menstruators”

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Bahahahahaha OMG I just spat my tea.

The existence of predatory people is an issue for all people.
You've left the word "men" out of that sentence somewhere Cloudy. Or do you think we are at a similar risk of violence or abuse from women as from men?

You were great in Little Menstruators”

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You are being ridiculous. No one hates anyone simply by virtue of being trans.

And it’s not predatory ‘people’. Predatory women are vanishingly rare. Don’t you dare try to pretend that predatory behaviour is not a male issue.

Quelle surprise.

She's thick as fucking mince.

Oh FFS who's next? Did any of these people actually read that beautiful essay JKR wrote?

@cloudyvanilla - They absolutely can dissent but would EW or DR have become stars / (anybody whose tweets would be read) without JKR

You can be a feminist and support trans women at the same time btw

The existence of predatory people is an issue for all people. It is not acceptable to disregard an entire group of people under the guise that a minority of people are predatory just because you personally find that group of people distasteful or whatever.

If you didn't have a problem with trans gender people as a whole then you would acknowledge that and stop piling on what I say, because I've already said that I also agree with JKR. I just don't also hate trans women.

"I'm a woman because I feel myself to be one"
"Won't that approach have dangers for women"
"No because I am a nice person, as a transwoman I would not hurt women"
"Well men like this (KW) would, and by dismantling single sex protections you are opening the door to him to walk right through it"
"You're being mean to genuine transwomen"
"You're dismantling safety and dignity for women"
We could go round all night like this Cloudy.

Okay but seriously, it is obtuse in the extreme to post a picture of a literal rapist as your chosen example of a transwoman

It was because you said "As a group trans women are vulnerable in themselves". As a group they are male. They commit sexual and violent crimes as the same rate as other men. And the lovely 'Karen White' is not alone in being a male sexual predator who identifies as a woman. There are more here - over 70 male criminals who say they are women. All in the UK.

Cloudy Vanilla, I have zero problem holding 2 thoughts in my head - that women’s rights should not be eroded and that trans people should be safe and respected. I also have zero problem with disagreeing with the argument that the only way to keep trans people safe and respected is to reduce women’s safety and respect. Not at all complicated in my view.

So a UN ambassador for women doesn't actually believe in women then?

Correction, a UN ambassador for a Pink Feeling in Your Head and Menstrators.

cloudy same sex spaces is one issue.

I also have another, I was a champion in a certain sport. I worked very hard at that sport as a girl and young woman. Won countless trophies, medals and awards I would never ever have beaten a natal man however now trans-woman of they chose to compete against me. I would have been disadvantaged.

I am concerned about the eradication of female sports. We are seeing trans-woman creeping in to sports like power lifting, cross country running, and cycling. They are understandinbly beating fellow competitors, because they have a natural advantage.

Now getting girls in to sport is tough, we can't make it impossible. Because there's no point in trying if you are never going to win.

I think it's fair enough for the actors to disagree with her and think they probably believe what they're saying too, plenty of people do.

I do however think it's tasteless and a bit cowardly to not acknowledge the torrent of abuse JKR has been getting. Surely they understand where she's coming from even if they don't agree with her, especially after her essay today. The trolls on the Internet would say she deserves it for her hate speak but I presume EW etc know she isn't hateful. It would have been the more complicated route to take though and wouldn't have been lapped up so happily.