Emma Watson no longer believes in women

but for past tweets which give a bit of a different context to her views?

Like this?

“I respect every trans person’s right to live any way that feels authentic and comfortable to them. I’d march with you if you were discriminated against on the basis of being trans.”

Or like this:

“The idea that women like me, who’ve been empathetic to trans people for decades, feeling kinship because they’re vulnerable in the same way as women - ie, to male violence - ‘hate’ trans people because they think sex is real and has lived consequences - is a nonsense.”

Are they the different contexts you mean?

I find that demand for obedience

Who's demanding obedience whatever that is- we're all entitled to our own view.

Seeing this doesn't mean that feminists don't support trans rights - it means that we've noticed that the activism, particularly in recent years, is deeply misogynistic.

This is compounded by those advocating for trans rights pretending that this kind of misogyny and abuse doesn't ever happen, as opposed to claiming infiltration by creepy MRAs etc - or else arguing that it's somehow acceptable to frequently tell women to 'suck my dick, 'choke on my lady dick', etc. if their opinions don't agree 100% with current trans ideology. Mentioning female biology is hate speech, so 'punch a TERF' is appropriate.

It's really worth looking into the history of all this - I forget which thread here it's mentioned in, but a pretty recent one where the 'unspoken acceptance'/goodwill/unofficial-law thing was at play between natal women and trans women (in an era when 'trans' meant 'transsexual'). The 'conflict of interests' side of this is new - the right of trans individuals to define 'woman' is a very recent development.

I totally get wanting to be kind & nice & fair - for me, distinguishing between trans activists/activism & trans people has been useful in this regard, if that's helpful. x

What has Emma Watson said about the abuse that was directed at JK Rowling?

The same thing Daniel Radcliffe, Evanna Lynch and Eddie Redmayne said. Less than fuck all.

Write you don’t agree with single sex spaces on Twitter and see what happens.
See if you can get on board with that:

‘They’ means more then one. Not every single one/
It’s tedious dealing with this wide eyed innocence all the time.

Because that’s the insults they’ll give
"They?"
See, I can't get on board with this.
Anyone saying anything like that is absolutely disgusting, but they're not one big blob.
One knob says something, "they're all out to erase women or this is what they';re saying about you?"

I think EWs tweet is the worst of the lot
Which one? - Her latest one is the only one I can see you would be referring toand deserve to live their lives without being constantly questioned or told they aren't who they say they are"
"Trans people are who they say they are

I think EWs tweet is the worst of the lot. Terse, cold and dismissive. Nasty piece of work.

You know what would have been really brave for these good young allies trans people to do? To state, simply: “JKR is entitled to her own opinion. I don’t Happen to agree with her on this issue. But I think the abuse she is getting for her views is utterly unacceptable.”

@LangClegTheBeardedVulture TAKE.A.BOW beautifully put!

The so called 'woke generation' have a huge huge problem accepting that people have different opinions to them. My siblings fall into this category and often smirk and snigger and make reference to the fact that us 'karens' need educating. Why can't we all get to a point where these issues don't become a free for all slanging match on social media? People are saying some absolutely disgusting things about JKR simply because they disagree with her, it's not necessary

Transwomen are of the male political class, the class who have oppressed women as a class for a millennia. Whilst women have made progress this axis of power hasn't changed and it continues to be unchanged despite some men identify as something other than men.

Until the axis flips to a 180 and we become a matriarchal society then women as a class will never be punching down on men as a class (including those who identify as other).

I've attached pictures that make it clear how women lose out when this ideology is adopted wholesale and codified into law.

The constant barrage of bollocking over single sex spaces is really bizarre when I have said multiple times and since my first post that I already agree with that

Is it bizarre?
Would you prefer to being told to kill your self, or die in a fire, or be raped, or suck a ladydick?
Because that’s the insults they’ll give you when you say to them they’re not welcome in women’s prisons/change rooms/refuges.
You think you’re being kind, that there’s a middle ground.
But there isn’t.
They’ll accept nothing but total capitulation.

What has Emma Watson said about the abuse that was directed at JK Rowling?

Don't want to be one of those on here who says "do your own dirty work, you can find it for yourself!"
Gonna though.
Was about to answer you with benefit of doubt but saw your name and you're not new to these discussions.
It's the shit that's usually flung at me for just asking a question.

Part of me right now thinks though that because women outnumber transwomen so much, aren't we punching down a bit by being so exclusive?

Do we? The Stonewall definition of trans is so broad that it would be hard to imagine anyone who wouldn't fit their criteria for being trans.

I don't understand what you are trying to say. Are you saying because he's manly looking he wouldn't, as a transgender person, be at risk of being subject to trans phobic abuse?
The mere fact that you’re calling him a he show that you know TW are not women.
Why are you so desperate to deny what your own eyes are telling you?
I genuinely want to know because honestly it’s just baffling

She's very naive and earnest.

I’m sorely tempted to start a petition to have Emma Watson removed from her post as a UN Women’s Ambassador.

Or maybe they should rename it UN Menstruators Ambassador.

other people won't attach connotations to the word woman and might object to being called one is what I mean... I'm saying you can't tell someone who is bothered by being called a woman that they must suck it up and accept it because it's a fact

The thing is - words do have meanings. That's what a dictionary is - a book filled with words and their definitions. And we use those words to convey ideas. And that works because we all understand exactly what those words mean. It is the very underpinning of communication. Without communication there is no functioning human society.

The attempt to twist and obfuscate language, to pretend that words don't have definite meanings, that their meaning can be subjective is one of the most pernicious and insidious parts of the trans ideology. It is Orwellian.

I'm not saying I agree with TWAW, although i feel mean saying that.

If you are being made to feel mean because you state material reality then it is time to start asking some fucking big questions. Because you have had a number done on you.

want there to not be the glaringly obvious conflict that there is regarding womens spaces.

The conflict only exists because of the pushing of the TRAs. Too many people try to frame this so called debate as it being two sides as bad as each other. It's not - it;s one side desperately clinging to the protections they have already been granted and the other side trying to remove those protections. The reason this conflict continues is because politicians and businesses are too spineless to tell the TRAs 'no'.

If they just did that - they could fund and build third spaces and it would all go away.

I firmly believe in single sex spaces.

I also have a bit of a tin hat theory... who stands to gain the most from self ID becoming a thing and the removal of women’s safe spaces? Predatory men.

Who really really dislikes the feminist movement and the reaction they’ve been gaining? Predatory men.

Who are trans people most at risk from? Predatory men.

Who stands to gain from feminists and trans people being pitted against each other? Predatory men.

Where have predatory men been proven to dwell time and time again? In positions of power.

It’s my feeling that men in power are behind the push for self ID, because they want in where they aren’t allowed. Divide and conquer has long been the tactic for sinister government and I believe there’s probably some of that going on.

The enemy isn’t trans people, the enemy is predatory men. I don’t want to share my safe space with a penis because my experience, and the statistics, tells me it is predatory.

I’m so angry that two marginalised groups are fighting each other when it’s men. It’s men, it’s men, it’s men that have driven us to this. Women can’t live their lives without fear, people can’t identify as how they want to without fear, because, since the dawn of time, men take and rape and beat and revel in their own power.

There should be three spaces, but it shouldn’t have to be because women and trans people need SAFE spaces, it should be because science dictates there are physical differences. These physical differences (sex) are there for those that want to compete etc within those confines and the third space should be there for those that are happy being defined by identify, not science.

What has Emma Watson said about the abuse that was directed at JK Rowling?

Sorry that is a cross post from quite a few posts back now.

I also agree that it's a shame so much good will has been lost. That was the point really.

I feel bad for JKR, but hasn't she dig a bit of a hole for herself, not with her very eloquent statement, but for past tweets which give a bit of a different context to her views?

Part of me right now thinks though that because women outnumber transwomen so much, aren't we punching down a bit by being so exclusive? But maybe it's like a pp said in that it's actually the proponents of trans women sometimes who are the ones shutting down all hope of reconciliation.

I have to say I didn't agree with DR's very matter of fact trans women are women. Can't trans women be proud trans women? Maybe most of them are? And a loud and vocal minority are causing all this bad blood?

Anyway good night and thanks for the many interesting conversations 🧚🏼‍♀️🌸🌻🌹

Lots of thick people manage to get degrees, but that’s beside the point really.

She is certainly extremely dense when it comes to feminism. You can’t protect women and girls without knowing what a female human is.

That would be the Emma Watson who was at Brown University and Oxford and secured a degree?

Exactly, that's the kind of thing that pisses me off - anyone who doesn't agree with you is automatically stupid.