Emma Watson no longer believes in women

Any word from Rupert Grint?

Surely he has the casting vote?

What kind of example do we set our kids when we can't have a nuanced debate, can't discuss or negotiate our differences, share our valid concerns, and reach understanding and relationship?

You might want to run that question past the people who have spent the last few years insisting on “no debate”. Clue: it isn’t the feminists.

Oh god on that twiitter thread there's a someone claiming that AFAB transwomen actually menstruate because they have a uterus.
When pushed to say what she means she says she has a uterus and was assigned female at birth but it doesn't feel right so she's like a trans transwoman.
Jesus Christ.

Et tu, Emma? :(

Trans are who they say they are.

I guess women saying they are a separate class from males are not.

@AlohaMolly - that's not as "tinfoil hat" as you might think. There has been evidence put forward that indicates the TRA movement was orchestrated as an advance movement towards acceptance of MAP (minor attracted persons, aka paedophiles/hebephiles)
I wish I had easy access to the manifesto wherein that is laid out, but I don't - I know it's on MN somewhere, but damned if I can remember where!
It's also laid out in this twitter thread by Jane Claire Jones twitter.com/janeclarejones/status/1270632633052127232 which has been posted elsewhere, maybe even in this thread.

Your feelings are not wrong.

Celebrities are provided the microphone by media corporations in order to sell things because they are widely recognized.
Being widely recognized is all the qualifications they need to be selected for promotions.

It's a shame that (some) people care so much what celebrities think about Big Issues. Actors, musicians, and athletes in particular aren't any more intelligent or better informed than anyone else. What makes their opinions worth any more than a person chosen at random?

This. Why should we take the words of an actress seriously? I've always been a bit sceptical re the adulation given to celebrities and the attention paid to their words. I don't follow their antics and many names are lost on me.

I did know that EW was a HP actress, and kept seeing her name as a feminist spokesperson. I wondered what qualified her -- she's so young. Not that youth disqualifies anyone. It's what has she bloody done to make her a spokeswoman for women?

And then, manhy years ago, I read some article about her having met Malala Yousafafzi and Malala was now her best buddy and her gushing declaration "I'm so happy that Malala has now said that she's a feminist! Fantastic!"

As if Malala needed her endorsement.
It was my eye-rolling moment regarding EW.

"You were great in 'Little Mentruators'''
mobile.twitter.com/moviefeminist/status/1270835399812882440

#SheForHe

I am happy to be explicit.
"Trans people are who they say they are and deserve to live their lives without being constantly questioned or told they aren’t who they say they are."
That is what Watson tweeted.
Trans people have no more right to be exempt from questions and disagreement than any other persons. The assertion that they do is a demand for obedience to a special class of people.
Transgenderism is the only dysmorphia that people claim the public has a responsibility to affirm.
We do not.
The most apt comparison is, of course, anorexia. The evil of affirming the delusions of an anorexic is no different from the evil of affirming the delusions of a transitioner.

I have come across several people on twitter who seems to really believe that medical science has reached the point of being able to change people's sex.

My most ‘oh shit, what ’ on this was a tweet where a young woman said re SRS “a penis is just an inside out vagina” as she understood it from a doctor.

I'm not saying I agree with TWAW, although i feel mean saying that

Does it ever occur to you that it is mean to insist that TWAW?

If you know some decent transwomen, who you suspect are same-sex attracted, then no doubt they are what we would call transsexuals. Just wanting to get on with it under the radar. Unfortunately they have now been subsumed. Something which many of them predicted would happen, as stonewall widened the umbrella of what it meant to be trans.

And to add to this, those transwomen who reject what’s been touted in their name, or object to TWAW are also vilified, cancelled, and called truscum by TRAs, many of whom are not trans themselves.

I'm not saying I agree with TWAW, although i feel mean saying that

Cloudy, sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind. Children are being taught in schools that people can change sex. I have come across several people on twitter who seems to really believe that medical science has reached the point of being able to change people's sex. It's hard for us older realist to believe, but people are actually believing they can change sex and doctors and therapists are not telling them any different. And these sex-change operations are appalling, with a very low successful rate.

Career. Career. Career.

Ironically I suspect also "Sex. Sex. Sex."

You may not realise that Eddie Redmayne's wife has had two children over the last 4 years while at 38 he is just getting into his prime as a male actor.

On the other hand Emma Watson works in an industry where it is very difficult to work while pregnant, female roles are limited and women are expected to quietly disappear once they hit 40.

Much easier to pretend that sex doesn't exist and toe the party line.

Emma Watson was already "cancelled" last week, at least in the US, for (allegedly) attempting to cash in on BLM without actually supporting black people.

Now she's apparently trying to cash in on trans people while (perhaps accidentally) virtue signalling* about "transwomen" when the immediate issue is the lack of support for transmen. Who still lack support, including hers.

Nicola Sturgeon, who was appointed as the inaugural #HeForShe Global Advocate by UN Women (the same campaign that Emma Watson represented/represents) is also getting stick this week because her government has just passed apparently misogynistic AND transphobic legislation that attempts to enshrine in law the principle that Transwomen Are Women, but Transmen Are Not Men.

As Borat would say about this timeline: "It's nice."

*I normally hate the term "virtue signalling", as it's traditionally used to complain that someone has spoken up about an issue that needs speaking up about, and to assume/pretend that the speaker is not (also) doing work around that issue even if there's ample evidence that they ARE. Unfortunately, Emma and Dan are bringing that term into good repute: they really are "virtue signalling" about an issue (issues, in Emma's case) that they know (and apparently care) little about and in fact undermine with their "real life" speech and actions.

It's a shame that (some) people care so much what celebrities think about Big Issues. Actors, musicians, and athletes in particular aren't any more intelligent or better informed than anyone else. What makes their opinions worth any more than a person chosen at random?

I wish fewer would look to entertainers for guidance in serious matters. They simply don't deserve the megaphone they're given, on the whole.

@CloudyVanilla that is an absolutely spot on post.

Both groups need protection and support.

What kind of example do we set our kids when we can't have a nuanced debate, can't discuss or negotiate our differences, share our valid concerns, and reach understanding and relationship?

Boyle?

I can understand why your struggling with the nuances of this discussion if you’re this confounded by an autocorrect.

Nothing to add regarding the rest then?
Interesting.

This is exactly what I thought. How can she go from an ambassador for women, to ignoring the concerns of women?

Career. Career. Career.

Boyle?

CloudyVanilla

It seems to me that although you agree we need single sex spaces, you also say you are detecting a less than enthusiastic attitude towards trans people in general?

Perhaps this will give you some context.

First of all, this is not about individuals. You cannot base laws, cultural protocols, statistics and legislative processes on individual people.

Secondly, the women here aren't strangers to transgenderism. Many have trans children, trans parents and trans husbands. And we also have trans people posting.

So the subject has, necessarily, been analysed to death.

Transgender ideology relies on sexism. Which is one of the problems. So it will always be criticised on that basis. Particularly by feminists.

Furthermore, there is a distinct difference between what people would call transsexuals and transwomen. Transsexuals are mostly gay males who struggle with the masculinity society expects from them.

The new influx of transwomen would appear to be those who are autogynephiles, which is a fetish where the person is aroused at the thought of themselves as a woman. Stonewall absolutely include them under the term transgender.

This obviously gets criticised a lot, because validating the person is being an unwitting participant in their fetish.

This cohort remain attracted to women, and 90% keep their genitalia.

As far as I know, there haven't been any studies to determine numbers, but the aggression is coming from this second cohort. And they appear to be the majority. They are the ones demanding access to everything to do with women, as it is validating.

Women who object are routinely threatened, doxed, have had every single meeting they've arranged targeted. The House of Commons claimed they'd never heard anything like it when a meeting scheduled to be held there was targeted. Millwall football club pulled out as a venue, despite their slogan being everybody hates us and we don't care. Credible bomb threats were investigated by police in Hastings. A 60 year woman was hit by a transactivist who has been subsequently convicted of battery.

You've seen the threats directed at J. K. Rowling. This doesn't stop.

People have been arrested for stating facts and even for 'thinking the wrong things'.

If you know some decent transwomen, who you suspect are same-sex attracted, then no doubt they are what we would call transsexuals. Just wanting to get on with it under the radar. Unfortunately they have now been subsumed. Something which many of them predicted would happen, as stonewall widened the umbrella of what it meant to be trans.

Transgender is not just one thing.

So yes, single sex spaces must be preserved, because every predator in the country, whether trans or not, has now seen the loophole. Men commit 98% of all sex crimes. A pattern of behaviour which does not change however you identify.

we're all entitled to our own view.

So if trans people are who they say they are, what other things apart from sex is it fine to claim, or are women the only group who can't use language to fight their oppression?

Who's demanding obedience whatever that is- we're all entitled to our own view.

Entitled to - Boyle that’s an interesting choice of words.

What does ‘entitled to our own view’ mean?

Because people have been ‘cancelled’ left and right for their views.
If you mean you can say what you want without being arrested, well, not so much.
Being thrown into a cell, or having a police officer visit your place of employment doesn’t scream entitlement does it?

If ‘entitled to’ means you’ll be ‘cancelled’ but you can still technically say it if you want to, it’s not really an entitlement is it.