The Body Shop has fallen

Thank you Farmer do a nice spf in a blue bottle. Also Heliocare but I found it hit and miss with finding a suitable one for me.

KinKind shampoo bars are bloody lovely, I've also used the Faith in nature coconut it's ok not my favourite.

Faith in nature is ok, I’ve only used their conditioner but it was good.

The only product I use from the BS is a facial SPF50 sun cream called Skin Defence, if anyone can recommend an alternative I would be much obliged.
I hardly think they will miss my business but every little helps as they say in marketing advertising.

Anyone use Faith in Nature?

That email!

"End the shame and stigma around periods" yes most of get over that by the time we are about 20. Until then girls are just getting used to their bodies. Not sure we need a retailer who doesn't even sell sanitary ware to deal with this one.

I just don't understand how a brand can ever think this is an acceptable way to treat their customers and how can they get away with it? I do wonder if in part they just want to whip it up whilst there are other issues going on and thought they'd get away with it. I hope they get hit where it hurts on the bottom line.

You'd be forgiven for thinking TW may be quite relieved NOT to menstruate - after all, most of us boring natal women would happily forgo the monthly visits - but alas, women having periods is considered some kind of 'prvilege'in TRA circles, and thus bio women are asked not to mention it.

Seems legit to me, and not at all the erasure of women.

Because they know they can't gat away with the word 'woman" - because transwomen don't and can't ever menstruate.

I don't get this. If trans women are women, then why are they deleting the word "woman"?

So the Girls Shout Out project. Does the "safe space online" mean that this will be natal females only? The entire project page uses the word gender where, really, it should say sex.

https://plan-uk.org/act-for-girls/our-work-in-the-uk

I was wondering what Anita Rodicks daughters think about this.

Won't men and transwomen be 'non menstruators', along with non-binary people who also are or used to be male?

Isn't this where such thinking is leading?

justasking111 - Looking on twitter apparently their sister company Avon when a customer tried to complain automatic message said they would not be handling anything until July 1st . They also retweeted all Body Shop nasty stuff about JKR. So if you are dumping Body Shop tell everyone to also dump Avon

Avon is also MLM and is exploitative in the same way as Body Shop at Home. Avon also has a poor record on the cruelty front so if you were buying BS for cruelty free you’re also propping up the decidedly cruel Avon. The company who owns both brands is Brazilian company called Natura - I wonder what they’re thinking.

Oh the irony...

Body Shop has been exploiting women since 1994 when Body Shop first set up its multilevel
Marketing business, using a business model that targets women and manipulates them to monetise their friendships, pays them virtually nothing and then passes the money of those who can least afford it up the pyramid to the men at the top; it’s highly exploitative and should confirm to people everything they’ve ever suspected about what BS thinks of us.

It’s just cynical big business dressed up as caring and woke. I won’t touch BS products and haven’t for years because of this contradiction.

@TheWayOfTheWorld
Wow... well I'm not surprised. I don't remember the group numbers... I thought it was around 30k at the time of the Kits? Anyway even that is too much. They've actually done me a bit of a favour by kicking me out because there were just too many posts and it was hard to sift through everything. As someone who's been following CH for years I see the same questions thousands of times... now I don't have that clogging up my Facebook feed anymore, it's nice. lol
The mob mentality on there is scary - especially when they're set on bullying someone online due to CH calling them out. I agree with her on most things, just not calling out private citizens on your Instagram when you have 400k+ followers.
The reddit is called Skincare Addiction, it requires a bit more effort to get through but there is a lot of information available. :)

@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken The sad thing is is that this behaviour is turning people away from their cause, and they are going to continue to receive backlash. I feel sorry for the trans folk who never asked for these "activists" (who are not actually trans themselves) to speak for them in such a way. It's certainly turned me off.

Anyways... less time on skincare groups, more time fighting for BLM and racial equality!

Looking on twitter apparently their sister company Avon when a customer tried to complain automatic message said they would not be handling anything until July 1st . They also retweeted all Body Shop nasty stuff about JKR. So if you are dumping Body Shop tell everyone to also dump Avon.

I'm so bloody angry about this and Caroline Hirons is nothing more than a self righteous virtue signalling self important trout.

I left her 'cult' when she tweeted about JK, for someone who says she all about science she clearly needs to brush up on it because I'm pretty sure biologically only women and girls can menstruate.

They have literally erased women from their website

Apparently, Bodyshop sell ‘Cruelty-free’ skincare!

DH wants to ask, if the sex-class-formerly-known-as-women are now to be known as 'menstruators', does that mean that the sex-class-mostly-still-known-as-men should be called 'ejaculators'?

@PhreshOffTheRunway it definitely has become a bit of echo chamber there. I've also just noticed that it is now at 45k members - was only 10k a few weeks ago when the Spring kits came out. Where have all those people come from?

Interested in the reddit group as I'm not interested in participating in the CH one anymore, that shuts down women's voices. On TBS recs thread someone said they didn't recommend anything due to their response to JKR, someone asked why and she replied it was a bit controversial but to have a read round. CH herself came on to say it wasn't controversial, quote:

" Actually the tweet was sent well before she put that story up. Check the timeline. And this isn’t a ‘controversial debate’. To be clear: this is a trans friendly and Body Shop - supporting group. That’s all." But clearly one which is happy to shut down women who object to misogyny.

Go onto their site and search for "Women" then do the same for "Men"

“ I did actually wonder if I was being a transphobe so I followed a link that someone posted to a Twitter response to JK's essay. Surprise, it was a man responding to her.
I ended up spending 2 days reading about everything and finding a gender critical feminist reddit page... (reddit also has a good skincare community that's a bit more science-based) and now I have my own opinion haha.”

I do this all the time. I’ve lost friends in the last week because I’ve politely responded to their “all TERFs can die” stuff. I really have listened to their opinions. In the past, I’ve even tried to side with them. It’s such an easier side to be on. I just can’t do it though. I’ve not read anything that placates my fears of misogyny or makes me think women aren’t being silenced and removed from the conversation about their own rights and oppression.
It’s as if I’m in the matrix and I’ve chosen the pill to make me unaware of reality, but it’s a placebo and I’m still completely switched on to the truth.