The Body Shop has fallen

'Women have a reproductive role, determined by the sheer biology she is born with '

is this your feminism?

i see it as femaleness being the object of hatred and violence, not just people who have specific female physical characteristics.

So if a woman is wearing jeans, a t-shirt and trainers, do you think she is safe from male violence?

my point is: when the way you behave coincides with what is considered to be 'how women behave',

No, that's not the way it works. Men behaving in ways that are traditionally regarded as feminine does not make that man a woman. Women have a reproductive role, determined by the sheer biology she is born with - and that very reproductive function, her potential fertility, is the reason for the 2,000+ years of oppression women have faced. For being born female.

Trans ideology as it currently exists does nothing but reinforce incredibly strict and rigid gender roles based firmly on stereotypical male and female ideals. If you can’t see that you really need to do a lot more critical thinking.

And absolutely, all oppression of women begins at birth and is firmly rooted in the biological class we are born into as a result of being of the female sex.

my point is: when the way you behave coincides with what is considered to be 'how women behave', you become a target of hatred and violence.

There are plenty of examples of cultures where make up and dresses are normal for men. There is no reason why men shouldn't wear both.

Quite a lot harder to the mammalian reproductive system.

A question.

JKR posted that the people who have period are women.

(For which she received horrific abuse such as ‘suck my *ick’ and other disgusting abuse).

The Body shop bag is about being positive about periods, and accepting that they are bloody natural.

If the Body Shop tweeter wanted to insult JKR (which I am sure they did, from the evidence in the accompanying words), then didn’t they chose the wrong object?

We need a full list of shops to boycott.

Marks & Spencers
Top Shop
The Body Shop
Primark

Where else hates us?

*stereotypical

When men are attaked for liking feminine things it is usually driven by homophobia rather than sexism.

What does the bag say?

The world is going mad. No more body shop for me

yeah i guess that's what i'm saying. i think expanding and blurring the ridigity of these categories that have done so much harm can only be a good thing

Barring some strange evolutionary leap, it will always be possible to tell which people are likely to become pregnant, and which people will go through male puberty.

Have you thought about this much?

'Seasidetrains* - you ask a question about the oppression of women, and then go onto speaking about males who want to wear dresses.

The wearing of dresses is something that has been inflicted on women for hundreds of years. It is/has always been an aspect of our oppression. Women wearing trousers was controversial when I worked in a bank in the 1990s. When I was in sixth form in the late 80s, girls were not allowed to wear trousers.'

i obviously didn't express myself well, because people are missing my point quite spectacularly.

my point is: when the way you behave coincides with what is considered to be 'how women behave', you become a target of hatred and violence.

Seasidetrains Thank you. You've made a penny drop for me in terms of why there is this division. It's a bit late for me to formulate my thoughts as to why I disagree, but genuine thanks.

And yes, women are oppressed because of their biology, because of their reproductive role. Girls from a young age are socialised into a caring role, to be nice, to look pretty. Identifying into those things does not make one female. Being born female does.

Seasidetrains - you do realise you're on the feminist board?

You have to really mangle language to try and force the word for female adult humans to also mean male adult humans. All sorts of ridiculous nonsense about how traditional woman behaviour, when performed by a male, meaning he's actually a woman. This used to be comedy a few years back, now earnest academics real it off as if it's modern and progressive.

They have really done a great job on the gullible. 10 out of 10 for trying, but no thanks.. We are not buying it.

'people who want to play with dolls and wear dresses are also at risk of (male) violence

Do you think that all men who identify as trans wear dresses or play with dolls? You need to keep up.'

no, i didn't say that and i don't think that. i'm making the point that behaving in ways that are perceived as 'female' makes one a target of violence, regardless of one's biological sex.

CEO David Boynton is a 'conscious capitalist' apparently. Perhaps he ought to have his conscience pricked.

Seasidetrains* - you ask a question about the oppression of women, and then go onto speaking about males who want to wear dresses.

The wearing of dresses is something that has been inflicted on women for hundreds of years. It is/has always been an aspect of our oppression. Women wearing trousers was controversial when I worked in a bank in the 1990s. When I was in sixth form in the late 80s, girls were not allowed to wear trousers.

do you think all oppression of women by men is because of biological factors?

Yes.

people who want to play with dolls and wear dresses are also at risk of (male) violence

Do you think that all men who identify as trans wear dresses or play with dolls? You need to keep up.

do you think all oppression of women by men is because of biological factors?

Uh, yes?

It's certainly not a result of liking pink.