The Body Shop has fallen

sexandgenderintro.com/ Is a really good intro @Seasidetrains

If you remove biological sex then who has prostrate cancer? Who is at risk of endometriosis? Would you have a sexual relationship if you were a straight woman with a trans man?

If you look at gender, then you're looking at societal stereotypes. So how society expects a woman to act. So what does that do except enforce those stereotypes?

If being a woman is a feeling then how should I feel?

We do need to distinguish between biological men and women for many reasons. Some medical, we know more men die from COVID and we know young girls have FGM tortured upon them. Some for women's safety as men as a sex are dangerous to women (and other men)

So how do you think we are best placed to do that?

What did Yorkshire tea do?

Told people who complained that they (Yorkshire Tea) weren't supporting trans rights and they would stop buying their tea bags - "Bye, then."

I should add I need overly-specific hair wash that won't make my frizz any worse than it already is, and which won't make my colour go weird. I might have to look at cottage industry type local brands.

Damnit so where can I get hair wash?

@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken It won't let me quote you, but yes, 100%, it would be a lot easier to be able to uncritically go along with the narrative. I literally don't know how to talk to my Facebook friends now. Although I've been thinking since lockdown that I need to find some new friends for various different reasons.

I never really understood the phrase 'sell out' until Anita flogged BS to L'Oreal.

First post on here.
Just wrote this to their CEO:

"The viscious attacks on JK Rowling following her fact-based, non-discriminatory remarks on Twitter recently, and your company's tasteless use of the situation to add to that bullying purely for publicity, will drive away your customer base.

I thought you should be informed so that the intern responsible can be held to account."

Just you ride that woke wave onto the rocks BS, you'd sold your souls anyway so may as well go out in style.

Oh and to the hateful minority of trans people, stop speaking for the silent majority of others please. This is not helping to end discrimination.

Stop screaming and listen.

Great that you took the time to listen to the woman. Terrible that so many people don't do that.

We have had a lot of success pushing back, we really have. Don't dispair, speak up.

Yes, L'Oriel apparently think Munroe calling someone "a big hairy dyke with a barren womb" is ok now."

Oh my goodness. That is an ugly and very male thing to say about a woman. Only putting a woman in her place.

Anita Roddick will be turning in her grave.

Btw, while everyone is boycotting Bodyshop don't forget to boycott Avon and Aesop products as well. Same company.

There’s just as much of that shit here in the U.K.

The Body Shop twitter account that I’ve just taken a look at has pinned tweets regarding period poverty and support for domestic violence.
Has someone done some damage limitatuon?

I agree it's unlikely the UK firm would be tweeting that obscure trans obsessed male academic in New York at JKR. You have to really be US centric to be that certain the whole world has to swallow all of your cultural outpourings.

No, Lush is just as bad. On many levels.

This thread prompted me to go and read JKR's essay instead of my knee-jerk reaction to listen to my woke friends who are being exceptionally echo-chamber-y right now. I was ready to refute what she said, but actually I found it to be thought provoking, eloquent, and all bloody good points that I agreed with. I feel really bad that I assumed she was wrong.
She is not transphobic. She isn't. The anti-woman movement is attacking her because she's an easy target for their stupid swarm of bees.
Now I see this whole thing for what it is, and I'm horrified (and cross with myself for jumping to conclusions) because I have no idea what I can do about it, it's like an out of control train that won't be derailed until it's destroyed everything. If they want to take down anyone at all - anyone - all they have to do is tell the world that person is transphobic and wait for the allies to destroy that person.

And I really liked the damn ginger shampoo too. Does anyone know if Lush is still decent?

Almost all my toiletries come from the body shop. Time to shop elsewhere I think.

I use Elemis, it is expensive but a tub lasts a year as it's so rich.

Just on the Body Shop topic,
I follow the Body Shop UK Twitter account and it wasn’t them who posted it, it was just the blue tick The Body Shop account which I’m guessing is the US account?
I think the Body Shop UK account has been staying happily silent on the matter knowing they would suffer in sales or ravaged in the media if they tweeted in support of either side.
I wonder how Body Shop UK and other national accounts are reacting (privately) to this?

like, which precise bit of me is my 'woman-ness' located in? i guess that's the logical end to this argument that interests me.

Nowhere. You are just a human being whose sex is female. Why do you need 'woman-ness' to be located anywhere? Isn't it enough for your identity to simply be human?

I like almond oil as a cleanser.

Yes, L'Oriel apparently think Munroe calling someone "a big hairy dyke with a barren womb" is ok now.

The Body Shop "fell" years ago, Once Anita Rodidck sold it on to L'oreal it was the never the same. Just another corporate - although still quite like some of the products.

Does anyone know a good alternative to their chamomile cleansing butter please? I don’t want to give them another penny.

We need to move the pretzels